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04-07-2011, 09:54 PM
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Re: Madem of a foal
Clicker training doesn't make your horse suddenly stop to get food. It helps them think about the goal of the exercise and it marks the right behaviour. Fully trained behaviours are not reinforced with a clicker any more, it's only to explain new behaviours to an animal. An animal knows perfectly well which click is meant for him. They do not respond to other people clicking, or the training has not been set up correct. My animals only respond to me clicking and not to other people clicking. Also it would not make the animal stop but the animal come to the trainer to get his reward. So if you would be clicking during a gallop it would not make it stop in its track......
My horse has very very good manners as he knows he will only get food after a click and doesn't feel the need to ask for it before as he doesn't get it for free. In fact he can do a lot of behaviours we also want later on when I am riding him or just basic manners. For a lot of learned behaviours he doesn't get clicked + rewarded for any more, just a stroke or verbal praise. I think clicker training is a lot nicer way to train animals than the old fashioned methods. Buying a good foal makes sure I do not have to worry about some hereditary problems or lameness because it has not a very good conformation. Accidents can always happen and not just to foals, but at any age. That is not a reason to call them vet bills on feet. 
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05-07-2011, 03:57 AM
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Re: Madem of a foal
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 Do you use foal slips? I've only ever been involved close hand with one foal - when I was 13 or thereabouts - its owner put it in a foal slip pretty early on and the foal wore it on the whole time it and its dam were turned out. I can't remember what age the foal was, but it was well before it was weaned.
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05-07-2011, 11:42 AM
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Re: Madem of a foal
Fluffed - I've never used a foal slip, and would never recommend leaving anything on a youngster at all, I don't even leave them on my adults as have seen one clydie mare that got her headcollar stuck on a feeder in a nearby field and broke her neck trying to free herself!
I get mine used to being handled every where from day one just by stroking scratching etc and always leave them to come to me when invited, I never force them to interact - natural curiosity always gets the better of them!  I had one filly one year that the mare was totally obsessed with and would not allow her near us, she would just stand and watch the other foals talking to us, it got to 2 days before weaning, so 6/7months old, and she finally came upto us and let us scratch her all over, and even pick up her feet the next day, within a week after weaning she was halter trained - takes all of 5 mins - and was leading - so just shows you they do learn just by watching others!I always ask for nice manners - a kick/bite or rear is met with an over done sharp intake of breath as if it really hurt which stops them in their tracks, they do it again and I chase them away as their mum would - they only do it once or twice and that is it! I can't afford bad manners at any age as I often keep a few entires and they must have impeccable manners especially when they end up over 3/4 of a ton!, and respect me totally, it's too dangerous when handling stallions around in season mares if they don't respect you it would just end up in injures for all!! I have never had to resort to man handling them or hitting though and would never recommend either as it just proves to the horse how weak we really are!!
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05-07-2011, 01:38 PM
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Re: Madem of a foal
Its not quite the same but I have a TB I had to retrain basically from scratch. Luckily she is a very kind mare at heart but did occasionally try her luck (she is 16.3 and I am 5ft2 so had to get the manners to a tea before anything else!!) One thing I have never done and doubt I would ever do is treats for rewards when teaching. There is only one time my mare gets treats, and I have just started this when she is well behaved after ridden. This is only because she isnt a fan of school work so when she behaves she gets a treat, if I was for learning purposes I would not do it but as she is already trained in every respect now it is a reward for good behaviour, not for learning something new.
I just think anybody who owns horses should be able to create a bond and a get a decent, well behaved horse without relying on food as a reward. Treating horses is also a good way of biting to start and I have experienced this with horses I know. They try and nip to express that they want a treat and then eventually it ends in agressiveness until they get their own way  There are some horses I know who will try and search your pockets for treats while walking acorss the field, for someone under confident this would be terfifying. My mare has never tried searching anyones pockets and when she does occasionally get a treat its something random and nice for her instead of just the same thing day in day out. Everyone has different opinions on the subject but I feel the same about things like spurs, repeatedly hitting with a whip when it doesnt want to move. Any horse owner should be able to train their horse and ride them and get then to be responsive without the use of painful aids or treats. Just my opinion!! AlexArt, Couldnt agree more with everything you have posted 
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05-07-2011, 05:55 PM
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Re: Madem of a foal
Hiya, thanks for the replies and the advice. The mare and foal arent being neglected the person who owns them works long hours so the person who owns the field helps him alot with the mare and foal. The owner so to go ahead if I wanted to do anything. Just 2 clear those points up sorry I wasnt very clear at first. I would have a good network of people who would help me if I had a problem with the foal which I am lucky for. I have thought it alot and even though I have been round horses for many years I have decided after looking in to it and hearing from other peoples advice that Im not going to take on a foal as I dont feel I could give it enough time and also havnt got enough experience for this kind thing yet. Its more important for the foal to go to a good home which can support her potentional
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06-07-2011, 04:02 AM
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Re: Madem of a foal
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This owner doesn't sound massively responsible though..........
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