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Old 15-07-2010, 11:45 AM
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Re: Fight or Flight?

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Flight or Fight. Oh this topic can get a Forum chatting away for weeks.

The principle is that because a horse can move faster than all other domesticated animals that in times of confrontation the horse will choose to run rather than fight. Mostly this is true. Why fight if you can keep out of harms way.

People will talk about sabre toothed tigers and survival over centuries but horses have survived because they have made themselves allies of man and not a source of food for man. The modern domesticated horse has been selectively bred to be a servant of man.

But, some horses think differently and they will defend their corner. A horse has a mouth the size of a small crocodile and four feet which are mostly steel shod. They can easily break a human's bones. Most horses weigh over half a ton - that is about the weight of a small car. So if you happen to fall under one you may break your back.

What is the lesson to be learned? Play upon the horse's natural instinct to be wary of humans. Treat the animal with dignity and kindness. Give respect to your horse - it is bigger than you and most horses do not lack courage.

If however a horse comes straight at you with teeth bared, ears back - then get out of the way - quickly. If you chase a horse into a corner, then be ready for it to turn and come at you.

Every herd of horses has a leader which mostly is a wise mare. She is the boss. But there are also bossy geldings and they are known as alpha males. Both mare and gelding will defend the members of their herd - make no mistake.

It takes years of experience in learnng to recognise the true personality of a horse. Getting right the balance in your relationship with your horse can take 12 months or more. Just remember they were clever enough to design themselves in such a way as not to compete with man for food - they eat grass - we humans eat practically everything else edible but never grass.

No horse is a chicken when push comes to shove. And a frightened horse can be more unpredictable and hence dangerous than a naturally aggressive horse.

I personally think that the expression 'fight or flight' doesn't really mean much except to remind the horse handler that horses are big, strong, immensely powerful animals who choose to work with man rather than against him, providing man treats the horse respectfully.


Incorrect. Horses are not allies of man. They remain hunted in this world. Domesticated horses are only 40% 'tame' they are not submitting themselves to man. If horses accepted it is safer to be with us on a general scale, they would not be fearful if their owner hurt them. Their instinct is to survive, and they do not trust people unless they are given a reason to.

The term is Alpha mare, or dominant stallion. Most geldings do not take the dominant role in domestic herds unless mares are not present or they choose to not guide the group.
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Old 16-07-2010, 11:24 AM
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Re: Fight or Flight?

I went out and told my mare this morning she is not domesticated.

She looked at me and asked why then did she let me strap her up, put a steel bar in her mouth, tie a heavy saddle on her bag and then plonk myself down on her back for her to carry me around the countryside for a few miles?
Didn't she stand still whilst I got her ready for my pleasure?
Didn't she refrain from kicking me and biting me when I got too personal with her?
When was the last time she had dumped me?
What else should a quadruped with four feet instead of two hands and two feet be expected to do?

SHe can't make her own bed let alone mine - she's not allowed to prepare her own food and as far as she, being a hardy Irish mare, is concerned she'll live out so long as I don't mind her getting dirty.

And she also prefers my company to the company of that obnoxious gelding which lives in the stable next door to hers.

Personally I am not sure what being domesticated is but my wife might say that my horse is a lot more amenable than I am. I don't make beds, do washing, ironing or cleaning or the washing up. And certainly I can't even lift her, let alone carry her for ten miles or more.

My mare is a lot more domesticated than I'll ever be.

PS The Rottweiler is laughing - he even gets to sleep on the bed and watch the TV
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Old 03-09-2010, 03:59 AM
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Re: Fight or Flight?

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Originally Posted by Barry G View Post
Flight or Fight. Oh this topic can get a Forum chatting away for weeks.

The principle is that because a horse can move faster than all other domesticated animals that in times of confrontation the horse will choose to run rather than fight. Mostly this is true. Why fight if you can keep out of harms way.

People will talk about sabre toothed tigers and survival over centuries but horses have survived because they have made themselves allies of man and not a source of food for man. The modern domesticated horse has been selectively bred to be a servant of man.

But, some horses think differently and they will defend their corner. A horse has a mouth the size of a small crocodile and four feet which are mostly steel shod. They can easily break a human's bones. Most horses weigh over half a ton - that is about the weight of a small car. So if you happen to fall under one you may break your back.

What is the lesson to be learned? Play upon the horse's natural instinct to be wary of humans. Treat the animal with dignity and kindness. Give respect to your horse - it is bigger than you and most horses do not lack courage.

If however a horse comes straight at you with teeth bared, ears back - then get out of the way - quickly. If you chase a horse into a corner, then be ready for it to turn and come at you.

Every herd of horses has a leader which mostly is a wise mare. She is the boss. But there are also bossy geldings and they are known as alpha males. Both mare and gelding will defend the members of their herd - make no mistake.

It takes years of experience in learnng to recognise the true personality of a horse. Getting right the balance in your relationship with your horse can take 12 months or more. Just remember they were clever enough to design themselves in such a way as not to compete with man for food - they eat grass - we humans eat practically everything else edible but never grass.

No horse is a chicken when push comes to shove. And a frightened horse can be more unpredictable and hence dangerous than a naturally aggressive horse.

I personally think that the expression 'fight or flight' doesn't really mean much except to remind the horse handler that horses are big, strong, immensely powerful animals who choose to work with man rather than against him, providing man treats the horse respectfully.
The fight-or-flight response, also called the fright, fight or flight response, hyperarousal or the acute stress response, was first described by Walter Cannon in 1915. His theory states that animals react to threats with a general discharge of the sympathetic nervous system, priming the animal for fighting or fleeing. This response was later recognized as the first stage of a general adaptation syndrome that regulates stress responses among vertebrates and other organisms.
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Old 04-09-2010, 09:09 AM
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Re: Fight or Flight?

I have learned from Androugham's response. But what I still don't understand is why some horses are prone to be skittish whereas others are more phlegmatic.

If a young horse shows signs of skittishness - does this mean that the horse will remain like this throughout its life?
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Why are some horses remarkably phlegmatic even in urban situations - in some cases without being dullards.

Is the flight response in the breeding, the upbringing, the schooling or the rider?

How do the Portuguese bull fighters get a Lusitano to fight a bull?
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how does the Police get a horse go forwards against a group of violent demonstrators?

Is the resistance to run in the breeding, the schooling, the upbringing or the rider?

Is there any cure for a sensitive but skittish horse?
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