Cross breed rule?!

Can we please look at either having the cross breed rule removed OR have a likewise rule to prevent discussions about the bad breeders and health of pedigree's. It feels like there is 1 rule for 1 group of people and 1 rule for the other.

I believe BOTH cross breeds and pedigree's should be open to a healthy debate. Rather than having to be tight lipped about crosses yet go upto 100 pages on pedigrees'.

So Shocked

This thread sums it up pretty much.

[cinammontoast]

I thoroughly second this.

[Sleeping_Lion]

I thoroughly third it, either allow open debate about all breeding, or ban it across the board. To allow partial debate is discriminatory.

[XxZoexX]

I totally agree, I certainly think that healthy debate on both cross's and ped's should be allowed and if not then the rules should be the same across the board

I have PM'd mark with a link to this thread. Hopefully he will drop by and let us know what he thinks.

[Cockerpoo lover]

Originally Posted by shetlandlover

Can we please look at either having the cross breed rule removed OR have a likewise rule to prevent discussions about the bad breeders and health of pedigree's. It feels like there is 1 rule for 1 group of people and 1 rule for the other.

I believe BOTH cross breeds and pedigree's should be open to a healthy debate. Rather than having to be tight lipped about crosses yet go upto 100 pages on pedigrees'.

So Shocked

This thread sums it up pretty much.

I think you find that the up to 100 pages was on the crossbreed thread so was about crosses too not just pedigrees.

Despite the rule there has been many crossbreed debates recently.So none of you have been tight-lipped in fact far from it

They are not usually intended to be debates - normally the OP starts a thread with an attack on the dog/breeder.name/price etc...... the crossbreeders then have to defend off the negative comments and some of us do try and reach compromises that get the rolleyes: treatment.

When people can come out with saying that ideally only a world of purebreeds should exist- how on earth is that a healthy debate.

When crossbreed posters get accused of "stomping their feet up and down" because they were having a reasoned debate on ethical breeding- how is that healthy debate. That's just a stupid childish un-necessary comment.

No wonder there are not many crossbreed owners who come onto these debates .
Every time they appear it always the same people and often there is a crossbreed owner who wants to leave over it. This time it was julesmc but she is now staying.

I don't know what constitutes a healthy debate in your eyes but usually debates means two opposing sides.

if you just want to talk amongst yourselves then it's not really a debate, yet when any one has an opposing view it suddenly like we are all against pedigrees and we are not

There are not many crossbreed owners who want to contribute.They get fed up of all the comments about their dogs and the choices that they made.

So do you really want just an open dialogue between all those that oppose crossbreeding without any opposition ?

Do you think removing the crossbreed rule will make for a healthier debate?

if so in what way?

[sezra]

Originally Posted by Cockerpoo lover

I think you find that the up to 100 pages was on the crossbreed thread so was about crosses too not just pedigrees.

Despite the rule there has been many crossbreed debates recently.So none of you have been tight-lipped in fact far from it

They are not usually intended to be debates - normally the OP starts a thread with an attack on the dog/breeder.name/price etc...... the crossbreeders then have to defend off the negative comments and some of us do try and reach compromises that get the rolleyes: treatment.

When people can come out with saying that ideally only a world of purebreeds should exist- how on earth is that a healthy debate.

When crossbreed posters get accused of "stomping their feet up and down" because they were having a reasoned debate on ethical breeding- how is that healthy debate. That's just a stupid childish un-necessary comment.

No wonder there are not many crossbreed owners who come onto these debates .
Every time they appear it always the same people and often there is a crossbreed owner who wants to leave over it. This time it was julesmc but she is now staying.

I don't know what constitutes a healthy debate in your eyes but usually debates means two opposing sides.

if you just want to talk amongst yourselves then it's not really a debate, yet when any one has an opposing view it suddenly like we are all against pedigrees and we are not

There are not many crossbreed owners who want to contribute.They get fed up of all the comments about their dogs and the choices that they made.

So do you really want just an open dialogue between all those that oppose crossbreeding without any opposition ?

Do you think removing the crossbreed rule will make for a healthier debate?

if so in what way?

I don't recall anyone being tight lipped about cross breeding! If that was tight lipped I hate to think what would be said if not being??

We are all against unethical breeding whether pedigrees or crosses however I would like to be able to talk about my cross breed when I get her/him without feeling worried that someone was going to start asking me about her breeding, health tests etc etc? Hopefully I have been on here long enough now for other members to realise my thoughts but as in the case of the other mentioned member she was interrogated and presumptions were made before anyone had got to know her.

I will happily adhere to any rules about not discussing cross breeding and pedigree breeding as long as the mods and other members follow them. There have been a lot of threads that have discussed cross breeding that have been allowed to continue so it does beg the question 'What is the point?'.

Make the rule for all parties, I will happily not discuss breeding anymore, I would rather just talk about training, diet, health etc etc. The discussions that have been had go no where and purely promote animosity between members. It appears we cannot do anything about BYB and idiots breeding willy nilly so maybe we should just consider the issues closed? That way we can all get on with enjoying our dogs (except for me because I don't have one yet! ) and sharing the fabulous knowledge and experience that everyone has (excpet me again! ).

[Tigerneko]

I dont think it is rules that need to change, I think it's attitudes

[sue&harvey]

Please be aware that discussions about "bad breeders" can lead to legal issues for the forum.

[Sleeping_Lion]

Typing quickly while my cup of tea mashes, but for those who believe the debate is even sided, it isn't. I've had my breed criticised a number of times, and although I always try to be general, and express that posts are my personal view, ie I don't intend for people to think that what I believe is the be all and end all, anyone posting in such a debate and mentioning cross breeds, leaves themselves open to a slap on the wrists for being negative. The thread SL linked to is a prime example, someone posted about a ridiculous name of a cross breed, obviously unaware of the rules, and straight away got their wrists slapped, and if you're not a confident person that could well put you off joining in any future debates.

If we ask about pedigrees, we ask about the health testing, temperament etc to do with their breeding, so why is it such a problem to discuss the same issues with cross breeding? The only people who seem to have a problem with it, are *some* owners of cross breeds, who would like to see the whole issue swept under the carpet. In the same way, yes, there are people who have the view that there is no need for cross breeds, and that pedigree dogs should only be considered, fine, that is their personal opinion, it's not meant to belittle anyone who likes their cross breeds, or even their dogs.

I've posted before regarding the unethical breeding of Labradors, and yet if I do the same about a litter of cross breeds (leaving out details to avoid getting the forum into trouble) then I'm deemed to have broken the rules. Well it's a pretty stupid rule in my view, and one that divides many of the members on here.