Cross breed rule?!

Originally Posted by sezra

I don't recall anyone being tight lipped about cross breeding!

Since being on the forum I have seen many cross breed threads, joined in many too but after a couple of pages are pulled and never seen again. This recent cross breed thread is the ONLY cross breed thread I have seen allowed to run and its run its course what was so hard about that?

Its the not being able to talk about it that forces members to keep making threads about it. Or the second a thread is made they all jump in there because we are silenced the rest of the time.

I do not recall any pedigree debate being pulled.

Only last week I was questioned as to what health tests my dogs parents have had, I was honest about it. But why are we not allowed to ask cross breed owners the same question?

[noushka05]

Originally Posted by sezra

Make the rule for all parties, I will happily not discuss breeding anymore, I would rather just talk about training, diet, health etc etc. The discussions that have been had go no where and purely promote animosity between members. It appears we cannot do anything about BYB and idiots breeding willy nilly so maybe we should just consider the issues closed? That way we can all get on with enjoying our dogs (except for me because I don't have one yet! ) and sharing the fabulous knowledge and experience that everyone has (excpet me again! ).

well maybe we should get rid of the breeding section altogether aswell then?? because i dont know if i can ignore irresponsible breeders and theres plenty on there!...i thought forums like this were to promote responsible breeding practices? and just because some have differing ideas what constitutes a good breeder shouldnt we All be allowed to air our opinions whether pedigree or cross? (of which my views on bad breeders in both are exactly the same!) ... people who read these threads will make up their own minds and hopefully it will change the attitudes of some....since ive been a member on this forum even my views have changed and become even stronger on the subject than before.

ive had people question my own breed but i just accept it as their opinions and i respond with my own, i just dont see anything wrong with debating as long as it dosent get personal,...and its going to be very hard to ban people talking negatively about pedigee breeds just like it has been about breeding crosses.. its a all a bit silly imo....but as Shetlandlover says its unfair to have rules for one group but not the other..

maybe the other sections will end up going the same way because ive had plenty of debates about folk breeding their rabbits and rodents for lame reasons, many have been just as defensive as some of the dog folk are

[sezra]

Originally Posted by noushka05

well maybe we should get rid of the breeding section altogether aswell then?? because i dont know if i can ignore irresponsible breeders and theres plenty on there!...i thought forums like this were to promote responsible breeding practices? and just because some have differing ideas what constitutes a good breeder shouldnt we All be allowed to air our opinions whether pedigree or cross? (of which my views on bad breeders in both are exactly the same!) ... people who read these threads will make up their own minds and hopefully it will change the attitudes of some....since ive been a member on this forum even my views have changed and become even stronger on the subject than before.

ive had people question my own breed but i just accept it as their opinions and i respond with my own, i just dont see anything wrong with debating as long as it dosent get personal,...and its going to be very hard to ban people talking negatively about pedigee breeds just like it has been about breeding crosses.. its a all a bit silly imo....but as Shetlandlover says its unfair to have rules for one group but not the other..

maybe the other sections will end up going the same way because ive had plenty of debates about folk breeding their rabbits and rodents for lame reasons, many have been just as defensive as some of the dog folk are

I only say I will happily not discuss it as we do seem to go round and round in circles. The present thread on Crossbreeding could be used as a sticky so that future posts could be referred to it? I am completely against unethical breeding but my breeding views include certain crosses, others don't. I actually don't mind that, the world would be a boring place if we all thought the same. My only request is that I am able to post things about my future puppy without any fear of being criticised for my choice, to share my experiences and be able to seek the advice of others.

If it was allowed to be discussed then it would run its path like the old thread did, what I want from this is if another thread on cross's crops up in the future for people to not be constantly reminded "there's a rule on cross breed threads you know" and "its against the rules I dont know why the mods are not pulling it". The last cross breed thread had over 10 posts by the same few people repeating that its against the rules and should be locked and removed.

WHY?

I am more than happy to join in with people on a pedigree debate were good breeds are being slagged off because of the way they look despite the actual dogs they are slagging off being clear for the problem they are accusing it of having. (GSD's having roached back's deemed to have HD despite many roach back GSD's being hip scored and not having HD). As I was saying, I am happy to discuss it IF we can discuss cross breeds too. Otherwise it would only be right to pull discussions on BOTH pedigree's and crosses. (would be a shame but the current rules are clearly not working)

[Cockerpoo lover]

Originally Posted by Sleeping_Lion

Typing quickly while my cup of tea mashes, but for those who believe the debate is even sided, it isn't. I've had my breed criticised a number of times, and although I always try to be general, and express that posts are my personal view, ie I don't intend for people to think that what I believe is the be all and end all, anyone posting in such a debate and mentioning cross breeds, leaves themselves open to a slap on the wrists for being negative. The thread SL linked to is a prime example, someone posted about a ridiculous name of a cross breed, obviously unaware of the rules, and straight away got their wrists slapped, and if you're not a confident person that could well put you off joining in any future debates.

If we ask about pedigrees, we ask about the health testing, temperament etc to do with their breeding, so why is it such a problem to discuss the same issues with cross breeding? The only people who seem to have a problem with it, are *some* owners of cross breeds, who would like to see the whole issue swept under the carpet. In the same way, yes, there are people who have the view that there is no need for cross breeds, and that pedigree dogs should only be considered, fine, that is their personal opinion, it's not meant to belittle anyone who likes their cross breeds, or even their dogs.

I've posted before regarding the unethical breeding of Labradors, and yet if I do the same about a litter of cross breeds (leaving out details to avoid getting the forum into trouble) then I'm deemed to have broken the rules. Well it's a pretty stupid rule in my view, and one that divides many of the members on here.

There was no need for yet another thread when Hazel's new one was similar to one already ongoing on breeding about the cost of x breeds. I have often seen Hazel on Crossbreeding debates so she is fully aware of the rules.

What impression do we give new crossbreed owners who may wish to join this forum seeing such threads keep appearing- it's puts them off so another potential new member is lost.

I have crossbreed owners on my friends list who don't want to come back on this forum because of the negativity towards crosses all the time.

Not one crossbreed owner on that thread for example made any nasty personal comments about pedigrees comments was to do with genetic health and health testing and bad breeders etc....

Yet many comments are made about our dogs names/prices and what is the purpose of them being here etc....

None of us crossbreed owners have issues with talking about breeding and health etc... and we do talk about them so don't know where you get it's a problem from?? it's when generalisation is made we have issues.

How many times have I agreed with some of the comments made against crossbreeders? how many times have me and you tried to reach an agreement of a way forward with breeding?

Personally I'm going to try very hard not to bother getting into these type of debates about crosses because I will end up no longer biting my tongue and getting banned.

A debate without many crossbreed owners joining in- well not really a debate is it- when you all have the same view. Pretty pointless.

Originally Posted by Cockerpoo lover

What impression do we give new crossbreed owners who may wish to join this forum seeing such threads keep appearing- it's puts them off so another potential new member is lost.

So we cant talk about cross breeds because it will upset possible new members. But we can talk about pedigree's even though that too would upset possible new members?

[Cockerpoo lover]

Originally Posted by shetlandlover

So we cant talk about cross breeds because it will upset possible new members. But we can talk about pedigree's even though that too would upset possible new members?

Not when a new member sees titles like Is there a reason to crossbreed? ( negative)

So shocked ( negative) can't believe the prices of these x breeds ( negative)

Where are the negative pedigree titled threads on forum now then? Post them on here please.

[sue&harvey]

I am closing this for now. You have made your request, PM'd mark, now it is a case of wait and see what his reply is.