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Old 21-09-2011, 10:34 PM
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Unhappy goldfish tail frayed AND white spots

Hi, I'm new but need some urgent advice. 2.5 weeks ago I got a fantail goldfish. It's tail is now looking a bit frayed and I can also see white spots on the tail only. I first noticed this today. I done a 25% water change on Monday (had previously been doing twice weekly changes) and there seemed to be a lot of bits so I repeated the water change Tuesday and Wednesday, this time using a gravel vacuum. The fish looks quite content, swimming well and lively, feeding. I have also reduced feeding to one or two flakes a day since Monday after finding so many bits in the water. At each water change I added Stress Coat. I have also been adding Stress Zyme bacteria weekly. The tank is 17 litres and has a filter. I haven't been able to test the water as the only pack the pet shop had was out of date.

I have looked online and am confused as to whether this is fin rot or ich or both.
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Old 21-09-2011, 10:45 PM
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Re: goldfish tail frayed AND white spots

the first thing id say is move him into a bigger tank. a 17L tank is no place for a goldfish. fancy goldfish such as your orandas and moors need a minimum of about 50L per fish, even when young, and standard goldies such as shubunkins and comets need twice this!
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Re: goldfish tail frayed AND white spots

Yes, I know *now* that the tank is too small, which makes me wonder why they even make them that size. And I thought I was "doing it right" by getting a proper tank with filter and ignoring the shop's suggestion of 2 goldfish and some minnow.

Anyway, I need to figure this out asap. Today the spots looks less like spots and more like gunk. The same gunk that has been building up on the glass. I removed some off the glass with a scraper and it is white and greasy. I can only assume it is the aloe vera in the stress coat. I have read elsewhere about that happening. Fish still looks OK and wants to eat. The frayed part on the tail is a part that turned black a few days after we got the fish.

Apart from switching to a different dechlorinator, what can I do right now?
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Apart from switching to a different dechlorinator, what can I do right now?
Put some clear pics of the fish up so we can see the problem
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Old 22-09-2011, 08:30 AM
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Re: goldfish tail frayed AND white spots

Do you have a large plastic storage box at home by any chance? After a good clean, that would do as a temporary home for the fish
The main priority needs to be getting the fish into a larger volume of water, as you'll never be able to keep your water quality good in a 17 litre tank, and your fish need good water quality if they are going to get better.
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Re: goldfish tail frayed AND white spots

The fact that part of the tail turned black would indicate ammonia burns from poor water quality, you are going to struggle to keep your water within healthy parameters in a tank so small. A more suitable sized tank and a course of eSHa 2000 should help. What area are you? I have a spare tank you can have but it needs re-sealing.
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I will try to figure out how...
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The fact that part of the tail turned black would indicate ammonia burns from poor water quality, you are going to struggle to keep your water within healthy parameters in a tank so small. A more suitable sized tank and a course of eSHa 2000 should help. What area are you? I have a spare tank you can have but it needs re-sealing.
Unfortunately I am in N Ireland. I thought the black indicated ammonia burns also.
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Do you have a large plastic storage box at home by any chance? After a good clean, that would do as a temporary home for the fish
The main priority needs to be getting the fish into a larger volume of water, as you'll never be able to keep your water quality good in a 17 litre tank, and your fish need good water quality if they are going to get better.
Yes I have many plastic storage boxes. So, do I clean out the box, add water and dechlorinator and ensure the temp is the same. Do I add the Stress Zyme bacteria? Do I move the filter over to this box?
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Yes I have many plastic storage boxes. So, do I clean out the box, add water and dechlorinator and ensure the temp is the same. Do I add the Stress Zyme bacteria? Do I move the filter over to this box?
Yep, do everything you've said there and use the biggest box you have.
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