pmsl tashi....i've been looking for the other thread..i'm glad i'm not completley madD

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Actually Jackson, Cesar is the first to say to use the softest "positive" energy possible to teach the dog, and for people with good dogs - there are alot of them out there, that is a wonderful solution for people who will take the time to do this the right way the first time.

There are also many people who agree with you and is why tens of thousands of dogs are destroyed every year in the US alone. There are even groups of people who want dogs destroyed just because they are the "wrong breed" with the appearance of dangerous behavior and so they destroy them all, like they have with the over 1100 dogs in Denver, CO who were ripped out of their homes having done nothing wrong other then being the wrong breed to be euthanized:
Pit Bull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the reference for the statistics is half way down the page (do a control +F they type in "1100" and also is referenced here:
^ USATODAY.com - Critics assail Denver's pit bull ban (may need to copy and paste link/remove spaces.

It is terribly unfortunate that there are so many people who do not know how to do this and so the dog's behavior escalates to the point that when the dog is abandoned to shelter or turned out on the streets, that the shelters do not have this luxery of time to rehabilitate them and so they are euthanized to make room for the "good dogs".

All these problem dogs are preventable of course. So I will simply and respectfully, agree to disagree with your position that these dogs cannot be saved, rehabbed without pain and suffering and placed in good homes to live out the rest of their lives. I work with thousands of others who also feel this way, not that that makes my position have more value then yours!

For the thousands of us who chose to work with these lost souls, to not give up on them, Cesar's way offers solutions that are long term, humane and can be done in safety, (although there are many who will push the safety edge because they do not have enough knowledge or skill - but the alternative is that without stepping up and trying, the dog WILL be ethanized because there IS no one else to help locally).

Jackson, Cesar is completely clear in both DVD's his books and shows. If what is done harms the dog, it is NOT Cesar's way, no matter what anyone says.

I hate to correct anyone, but the statement you made about him killing a dog is completely wrong and you will not be able to produce a document from a vet, an animal clinic or an emergency animal hospital from any owner who has been helped by Cesar directly, documenting that his efforts has physically or psychologically harmed a dog.

I have already in another post addressed the mis-information that is constantly put out by people looking to destroy Cesar Millan's efforts to help problem dogs, about the ONE lawsuit brought by a television producter to a Trainer who borrowed Cesar's facility while Cesar was out of town and that person, who was NOT an employee of CMI was responsible for the damage to the dog.

By the way, treadmilling dogs are completely safe when done correctly. I have converted ALL my rescue problem dogs to "leashless treadmill dogs" within minutes to help them with exercise at an intensity and speed that my 54 year old body cannot provide. You can see pictures of many of them at my youtube site YouTube - cjanderson's Channel. I then use my time with the now calm dogs to work with their disapline such as therapy dog training or obedience.

There are also follow up stories going back from the earliest episodes four years ago about the long term successes of the hundreds of dogs who were helped on Cesar's Dg Whisperer epsisodes that anyone can read in the Dog Whisperer Season 1-3 Episode Guide!

Perhaps the coolest out come of many stories, is that when some of the family members realized that they would not sustain the solutions put in place by Cesar during the epsiode, that the dog would be re-homed into a home and lifestyle with people who WOULD follow through with the needed solutions, and so the dogs who would have bee abandoned or actively euthanized, are still alive, healthy, well cared for and loved today. (Actually a couple have died from health complications like cancer).

why tens of thousands of dogs are destroyed every year in the US alone. There are even groups of people who want dogs destroyed just because they are the "wrong breed" with the appearance of dangerous behavior and so they destroy them all, like they have with the over 1100 dogs in Denver, CO who were ripped out of their homes having done nothing wrong other then being the wrong breed to be euthanized:

i have copied and pated this part of the text...because i feel it highlights the NEED for good breeding..which this forum is allways saying.

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Do you work for Cesar?

Some of the stories are so touching. The one that was my turning point that I had to at least TRY to work with these kinds of dogs was almost the very beginning - Coach. One of the ones who was going to be eithanized for his behavior because the family didnt know what else to do.

Their young son, who loved Coach so much asked them to take some of his fur and wanted him to be put asleep in the sons blanket so the dog would know how much he was loved inspite of being a neghborhood bad dog.

But the reason I am responding here, is that Cesar has never been paid by the clients of the Dog Whisperer show for his effort there. He is paid by the show which was purchased by Nat Geo Channel. He never closes a case until he is satisfied the owner can sustain the soution. There are several epsiodes where the comment was made that Cesar returned MONTHS later to follow up on the most challenging cases to make sure the effort needed for that problem solution was both solid and sustained.

You know, it is one thing to have the owners say how much the dog is changed, but when neighbors, co-workers, vets, evenunsuccessful trainers, etc say this when they were originally menaced for me is really an attention getter!

Here is a link to what season is being shown where:
Cesar Millan - Dog Whisperer TV

Jeanie, he uses tools that the owners would use but for hims self, his first choice is NO tool! NO leash, - controlling the dog by energy alone. Next, he uses a string leash, the smallest lightest one he can find (he calls his a 25 cents leash) when he has his choice. If he recognizes that the owner needs a more supportive tool, then he will teach that owner how to use that tool with the dog SAFELY, to ensure that that dog suffers no harm through its use.

My favorite epsiode in this was in Season 3 Molly and the Farmer. This farm dog was completely obsessed and attacked anything with wheels and in fact had been rolled under a tractor tire and lost one eye.

The family had used the electronic collar - incorrectly.
Cesar came and set up the collar at 40%!

Use the button TWICE for dversion therapy.

The dog jumped, ~did not yelp, hollar, writh in pain.
The collar has never been needed again. Now if the dog looks at a tire, all the family has to do is call the dog who will come.

Cesar and Team Millan used this episode to demonstrate how to safely use this tool for the FIRST step of a long term solution for a dog for whom no other solution had worked. Again, many would say - there are plenty of good dogs out there, so just put down the ones who cause problems and get another. I just have another philosphy beause these dogs always in my experience turn out to be such GOOD loving dogs once they get this kind of behavior direction for their lives.

They also wanted to make a point that if the dog owner does not have experience with this kind of tool, then to go to a professional is well worth the time and support for the progress it gives the dog which many times, will save their lives!

Hi, no I am not an employee of any affiliate of Cesar's Team, which means Cesar Millan Inc, The Cesar and Ilusion Millan Foundation, MPH Entertainment or Emory/Sumer Productions, IMG National Geographic Channel or even Petco which has sponsored his show
so faithfully since it began 4 years ago.

I did take over a fan email list on yahoo and shifted it more from a celebrity (isnt he cool/cute...) kind of email list to a list devoted to helping people with problem dogs because I say all the people over on his Nat Geo blog crying heart broken because they had problem dogs they couldnt find help for. So I had this email list devoted to people who saw the value of Cesar's way who wanted to help others like you and me learn how to do what he did.
I did attend one of Cesar's seminars last September in 2007 and have met some of his staff and also Cesar, his incredible wife, Ilusion and two boys and actually got to hug his pitbull Daddy's net (now THAT is a doggie star I am goofy over he is SUCH a buddy that adorable dog - lol!!!)

My business for the last 30 years has been safety and health, I have lots of clients like National Safety Council, Maricopa Community College where I work with businesses to help with safety and environmental health problems. (You can read more in my profile which talks about my passion for the lost ones and plans for the future to turn rescue dogs into therapy dogs for others. I am very blessed that the success of my safety business allows me to put som much of my energy into helping dogs and their owners, in these kinds of ways! Now that I am past 50 years old, I do this for me!

I am nobody in the dog community, just someone who wants to save the problem dogs being euthanized right now because there is no one else who is able to help, Rescues in Arizona do bring problem dogs to me that they cant help but will be euthanized is the problem isnt changed, so I have experienced first hand what a person with a little knowledge and tools can make for these dogs that are being killed because there arent enough of people like me.

I was very fortunate that apparently someone from Cesar's team was watching what I was doing and how hard we were working to help people learn how to change problem dog behavior. (This is also Cesar's great passion - to teach people how to fish so they can help themselves) and so in June of 2006 they started referring people who were willing to work on correcting their own bad habits with their problem dogs over to my yahoo email list which I privately own.

It was a great honor. I insist that everyone is respectfully treated and not judged, condemmed or ridiculed for their choices or mistakes. So right now we are at about 2650 members with another 14,500 who have come in solved their problems and left our high volume list.

The archives are open to the public as I mentioned in another post, so one can get answers and ideas without even joining the high volume list, (we sometimes will have 150-175 posts a day).

DogWhispererFans : Dog Whisper Fans and Friends-Problem Dog

So I have been living eating and breathing CEsar's way for four years now as I have turned my hobby and passions into learning better how to not only save the dogs that you may have seen at my youtube site:
YouTube - cjanderson's Channel
but if you watch the Ten examples of using Cesar's way, you will hear my story and what I do. The first video of Choe is an example of a dog who had been badly abused who I have been working with who has very special needs for adoption. I have used Cesar's way to help her get so much better but she does not show well at adoptathons.
So I have created a video of her to show how she would bein someone;s home, then I have a best friends page for her: Chloe's Diary
dogster page for her:Dog profile for Chloe, a female Breed Unknown/Keeshond
Her blogs are mini lessons of how I have been applying Cesar's way to her unique fears and needs. I do all this as a volunteer and want to teach others how to do this to help with the unique needs of these dogs who dont show well in a cage of a shelter or adoptathon.

So I have been learning teaching my self how to market these more challenging dogs to help rescues present them n a way that someone may want to adopt them.

I also took a Best Friends (Dog Town) dog and converted her into passing her Therapy dog test in under thirty days.
June bug had been very difficult to adopt, because she didnt show well. She will be my poster dog to encourage others in our retiring baby boomer generation to do this as well to help at risk kids, in hospitals and hospices, nursing homes, etc.
So these are the kinds of things I am about helping those kinds of dogs that the "positive trainers" don't have the time or energy or solutions for. You can also learn more about me personally from my website at:Paradigm Thoughts

All these problem dogs are preventable of course. So I will simply and respectfully, agree to disagree with your position that these dogs cannot be saved, rehabbed without pain and suffering and placed in good homes to live out the rest of their lives. I work with thousands of others who also feel this way, not that that makes my position have more value then yours!

For the thousands of us who chose to work with these lost souls, to not give up on them, Cesar's way offers solutions that are long term, humane and can be done in safety, (although there are many who will push the safety edge because they do not have enough knowledge or skill - but the alternative is that without stepping up and trying, the dog WILL be ethanized because there IS no one else to help locally).

Jackson, Cesar is completely clear in both DVD's his books and shows. If what is done harms the dog, it is NOT Cesar's way, no matter what anyone says.

I have cut and pasted as your posts are SO long winded they make mine look short! However, I admire your dedication.

I never said the dogs could not be saved. I said that I believed PTS was the better option than submiotting them to cruelty. I have never seen a dog that could not be rehabilitated but positive methods.

The REASON these dogs are in rescue in the first place is because of irresponsible BYB's and puppy mills. It has little to do with training, as if the pup[py came froma responsible breeder, they would be on hand to help the owners, or take the puppy/dog back.

As for the last bit. What Cesar says, and what I see happening are two different things. Getting bitten by a dog means something is going wrong. Regardless of how 'viscious' the dog was in the first place, and I reiterate, you will NEVER convince me here is ever a need for getting physical with a dog, be that yanking it's lead or pinning it down. You will also never convince me that pack or dominance theory is anything other than a load of tosh.

I am now going to close this thread I think that the poster CJAnderson has put across some very good points in Ceasar Milans favour and personally I admire the man to be able to run a pack of dogs, as he does altogether all coming from bad backgrounds.

I think this thread is now exhausted as the original poster is not taking on board what is being said.

As has been said on this forum once before we are all entitled to our own views and once we have put those across it is time to listen to others views.

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