Cesar Milan.... - Page 9

bullbreeds · #81 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 10:35 AM

I think for every trainer/dog expert there will always be people in the shadows waiting to critisize.
i personally think Cesar Milan is very good.

Kay2008 · #82 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 10:38 AM

I have read both links just now.

I have only seen 2 of Cesar Milan shows... so I don't know too much about him. I admit, I thought he was good and the dog seemed "changed"

But in them articles, they are saying changed... but does it last? Even if the owners stick with it.

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"It worked on my dog. Every time he does [enter behavior], I just give him a correction and tell him "Tsssht" and he stops."

Note the words, "Every time he barks." This indicates that the dog is still repeating the behavior. The idea behind behavior modification is not that the dog simply stops the behavior momentarily, but that the behavior changes so that the dog's reaction in that environment is different, like looking at you instead of barking. Suppression of a behavior is not changing the behavior, itself. If the owner has to continually repeat the "correction" the behavior isn't changing.

So now I am not too sure on what I think.

jackson · #83 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 10:39 AM

To be honest, I think better a dog PTS than be too scared to behave like a normal dog. That is the only reason his methods work. He frightens dogs into submission and bullies them. Having said that, how do you know the dogs would have been PTS? A more knowledgable, kinder behaviorist/trainer could have still got good results fromt he same dogs.

I would NEVER Allow anyone to trap my dog cowering in a corner, or yank it along by it's lead. WHY do so when there is a kinder way of getting the same result? Or worse, kill it on a treadmill? (he has done this!)

As I said, anyone who is very knowldegable is dog behaviour shuns his methods. If you undertsad dog body language, watch one of his videos (plenty there) on You Tube witt he sound off, then with it on. What he says the dog is doing is very different to what it is actually doing.

paws · #84 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 10:42 AM

Yes ive watched his shows and like some things and not others

JANICE199 · #85 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kay2008

I have read both links just now.

I have only seen 2 of Cesar Milan shows... so I don't know too much about him. I admit, I thought he was good and the dog seemed "changed"

But in them articles, they are saying changed... but does it last? Even if the owners stick with it.

So now I am not too sure on what I think.

all i can say is, watch a few more shows and you will come to your own conclusions

...and he has done shows where he has gone back to see the progress of the dogs and most are fine.if they are not then he goes through it again until the owners get it right...and he doesnt take money until the people are happy....

Kay2008 · #86 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JANICE199

all i can say is, watch a few more shows and you will come to your own conclusions

...and he has done shows where he has gone back to see the progress of the dogs and most are fine.if they are not then he goes through it again until the owners get it right...and he doesnt take money until the people are happy....

Are his shows still on telly at the moment?

I watched a couple a few weeks back at about 4am I think on Skythree (I think).

JANICE199 · #87 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kay2008

Are his shows still on telly at the moment?

I watched a couple a few weeks back at about 4am I think on Skythree (I think).

yes he is on at 6pm i think sky1 i believe.and also about 7am...not sure what channel but thats when my sister watches it...

Fade to Grey · #88 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 11:09 AM

well this is going to turn into an argument then

bullbreeds · #89 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fade to Grey

well this is going to turn into an argument then

Oh ye of little faith

JANICE199 · #90 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fade to Grey

well this is going to turn into an argument then

lol not by me.thats why i say..each to their own.it wouldnt do for us all to think the same now

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