Sigh, of course anything can be taken out of context unfortunately because there is almost no way to ask follow up questions.

The behavior DOES change, sometimes in minutes, sometimes in days when the environment, conditions and the human responses,are consistent! So for instance, I am a 54 year old emale home alone most of the day. Some one comes to the door. I seldom answer! I WANT the dogs to bark.
I let this go on for a minute or two and then make my sound ("tsst") - they stop. Immeidately.

Water man just came by. They know the sound of his truck, they know the sound of his voice, even though it is only once a month.

Not one peep from them.

Someone comes into my home led by me, they no longer bark -at all.

Someone comes into my home without me (like a repair man did last weekend to use the bathroom) they are all over it because I am not with him. So when environments and situations change then they dont know what to do and so I lead them by sounds (of whch I actually have two - the tsst when I am close, and a kinda honk "EH' when I am on the other side of the house.

The other consideration which the writer COULD have followed up to find out about if he was interested in an accurate commentary rather then the superficial one given on superficial information, is that the longer a dog has gone without behavior trainng, the longer to unhook him from the patterns that have worked. The issue really is mostly from the inconsistency which come from the human who has not entirely changed their behavior as well.

I experienced this as well in two ways

First, when I rescued Signal Bear, the redzone feral chow chow. Because I did not know of any Cesar type trainers in those early days, I HAD to be 24/7 Cesar's way to have any hope of permanaent change. I did this because back then, I didnt UNDERSTAND Cesar's way, any more then I understand how a car works, but I know if I do certain things in a certain way, it works. Compare that to my two twelve year old dogs who both had cancer at the same time I rescued the chow chow, that I kinda sorta half heartedly applied Cesar's way until I felt sorry for them and turned them back into my humanized babies, every other day or so! I finally decided to just give them a get out of Cesar's school free card and just enjoy their last days.

Second, my partner has NOT been Cesarized for the first 2.5 years, (he is inially seeing the light and getting on board). He only wanted to be dog's friends, until he gots tired of their misbehavior and gets mad! (lol) The challenge is that there is inconsistency in the house for behavior protocols and that always makes the speed of the solutions more challenging. So it does take longer in the second challenge but they learned to follow my direction wile they coninued to ignore my partners.

So I hope this offers a different perspective for you to consider!

i know lots about body language and lots more beside, ive seen the most worse cases possible.
and some things that if wasnt for poeple like him or a few others i know who are all top trainers they would be put to sleep without even given a chance.

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That was very interesting, i too have a problem with oh ,he thinks they can train them selves , i use the tssst when they are close to me and hey when they are out of reach and misbehaving, they stop at once and come running , they jump at my oh when he gets up in a morning but never at me hes now learning to ignore them until they stop doing it so we are getting somewhere at last, hes learning we have to as hes a bleeder and they scratch him then he bleeds bad, but im all for doing some of the things Cesar does and i havent seen him ill treat any dog, , one thing i have learned from him is he never gives up i try to follow that, and hes very cute can visit me anytime lol .

and you have to admit he is cute

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You know Bobbie, that is the piece that most people seem to miss! The dogs on his show are "last chance" dogs where people have exhausted local resources for help which didnt work, and turn to Cesar as their last hope before abandoning the dog to the shelter as someone elses problem to fix or destroy, or just plain before deciding to euthanize those dogs.

There ARE many solutions he does use in thise cases (particularly with the agressive "red-zone" dogs) that require way more knowledge and skill that the general dog owner does not have. They have made a point in many shows to show Cesar being bitten (even to redoing in slow-mo to demonstrate how dangerous this can be)!

But there are so many solutions that are completely and easily replicatable for behavior problems like, jumping, barking, charging, claiming the space (furniture windows, etc) distractions, pulling, traveling, vet vsits... and so much more.

The wonderful thing is that now with the DW Season 1-3 Episode guide and the Episodes being out on DVD's that you can look up the problem by problem or by dog breed and review the sows as many times as you like to see how to reach the solution in your own unique environment. Further, there is a yahoo dog whisperer email list that you can talk about where you are having challenges in getting the desired solution to work, with people from trainers to og owners like you and I, to help you apply those solutions to your own unique circumstances.

Yes another website completely, full of misinformation because they are quoting someone who quoted someone etc.

So perhaps the biggest mis-information in the paragraph: "the producer's dog was delivered to the Cesar Millan Traning Center..." is actually absolutely true -
as far as it goes as a half truth.

What that little commentary does NOT say, is that a trainer friend of Cesar's asked to use Cesar's facility for that trainer's client - the producer!
That trainer was NOT an Employee of CMI he just wanted to use Cesar's treadmill!
Cesar was not even in town!
The little paragraph indicates the lawsuit is still going, and yet it was resolved along time ago!

Yes the dog was injured - by that Trainer NOT Cesar or his staff! I always challenge people like that, to produce any kind of documents provided by an animal hospital, vet or emergency room showing that ANY dog that Cesar has directly helped has been harmed in any way, and of course they cannot, but then they cannot be bothered to change their website either.

This kind of behavior by the owners of these websites, tends to reinforce my personal perspective that they are dealing with professional jealously and fears about loss of status or even revenue in the dog communities as owners to whom these type of pros, many times who have told these types dog owners that there is no hope for their dog and recommend euthanizing the problem dog.

As to the non approved agencies mentioned. The ASPCA has no official statement posted about Cesar, infact, if you do a search on their website, you will see nothing but postive statements from different contributors. About the HSU I have no idea who this author is referring to unless it is the HSUS, who also has posted no official position about Cesar anywhere on their website. In fact I work with the State Director of Arizona HSUS here out of Phoenix with my efforts for problem dogs using Cesar solutions, and this starting this summer will be become a certified volunteer instuctor for three of their HSUS classes - Animals in Disaster,Emergency Animal Sheltering and Compassion Fatigue for Animal Caregivers.

As for the AHS which is NOT affiliated with the Humane Society at any level. Their position is not based on direct review or investigation activity either.

I know they have been invited to come down to watch Cesar doing the filming last fall which they have not responded to as of a few months ago.

How do I know? When this came up last fall, I asked Cesar Millan Inc. So even THEY (the AHA) do not want to take a chance that their perspective might be wrong enough to do even a fair investigation of their own position!

i wonder if he's got a fan club

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can you just keep everything about cesar milan in this one thread then... other wise we'll have another 10 in the next week. i mean you've already started two and probably more have been deleted.

No I have actually merged them all into one

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