Originally Posted by CJAnderson

It always saddens me to see such articles because of the need to sensationalize as well as the misinformation that is written and not challenged because readers do not know any better.

For instance, in the first article, the comment about pitting Ian against Cesar - this is a media ploy that Ian has been very successful in using to get press time that he otherwise would not. Do you notice the phrasing for instance "Ian points out..."? You NEVER see Cesar speak out against or negatively about anyone or any solutions. In fact, the article is a LIE from this position because Cesar has been documented in many sources saying "ALL ways are good that do NOT harm the dog!" AND "use the LEAST amount of energy needed when working with the dogs!

For sites like those quoted in the original post. I ALWAYS challenge them to produce any kind of medical documentation from anywhere, supporting their claims that ANY of the dogs that Cesar has helped directly have ever been harmed in anyway by his solutions! So for instance, in the second referenced site, where it talks about the ever famous episode of JonBee the Jindo wild dog, that the OWNERs have actully posted a letter for all to read in the DW Season 1-3 Episode guide that not only did Cesar NOT hurt JohnBee in any way, but was actually willing to risk harm to himself to help that dog. And again, Cesar being bitten by the dog he is working with is shown in MANY of the episodes around the more agressive behavior dogs.

Sites like this are only interested in promoting one side of the coin and NOT in presenting accurate information even when the errors are pointed out.
or instance in the second site, where it starts with:
BUT IT WORKS...the response I quote is
"I have not seen changed behavior on the show. I do see dogs with suppressed behaviors; dogs walking on very tight leashes, dogs that are stiff and immobile after being rolled onto their sides by force, dogs that are in almost every case restrained or shut down in some form or another. "

This statement demonstrates to me that this individual is ONLY looking at the problem description part of the show OR ignoring the FULL solution explanation/demonstration.
Cesar is COMPLETELY clear to the open mind that he NEVER allows the dog to be walked on a tight leash as a solution although most of the time, that is part of the problem eplaination. He NEVER allows the episode to be wrapped unless the owner demonstrates successful loose leash walks in front of environmental distrations.

As far as the rigid dog on the side, stiff and imobile again - he ALWAYS demonstrates how to watch for the dog's shift in energy, which DOES happen in a matter of minutes and more importantly, how to reward that dog's relaxation with "positive treats" such as massage.

I could spend the rest of the day counteracting each of the negative points brought up by people who offer no verifiable documentation for their positions and have themselves suspect positions for why they take an opposing position when one has never been sought and infact rigorously avoided by Cesar Millan.

On the other hand, the long term success of the changes are doumented in the DW Episode Guide Season 1-3 book. Further, if you go to:
DogWhispererFans : Dog Whisper Fans and Friends-Problem Dog
you can review the open archives of over 60,000 messages from ordinary people like you and me requesting help for their dogs and the resulting sucess stories from using Cesar's way to change their own dogs behaviors!

All Cesar cares about, is the welfare of the dogs -and if Ian's (and other opposing "professionals") efforts and solutions works, then Cesar will give a standing ovation!

I never needed Cesar's way for the first 45 years of my life being surrounded by family good dogs, including my parent's show dogs.

The day AFTER the first episode of Cesar's I stepped up to SAFELY rescue a redzone chowchow for which animal control had been called to capture and destroy. You can see his story and many of the other 30 problem dogs I have been able to help rehab and rehome at my youtube site. YouTube - cjanderson's Channel using Cesar's behavior solutions. I only work with problem dogs now who have no hope without solutions like Cesar's to rehabilitate them so they can find and live in a good forever home!

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Originally Posted by CJAnderson

It always saddens me to see such articles because of the need to sensationalize as well as the misinformation that is written and not challenged because readers do not know any better.

For instance, in the first article, the comment about pitting Ian against Cesar - this is a media ploy that Ian has been very successful in using to get press time that he otherwise would not. Do you notice the phrasing for instance "Ian points out..."? You NEVER see Cesar speak out against or negatively about anyone or any solutions. In fact, the article is a LIE from this position because Cesar has been documented in many sources saying "ALL ways are good that do NOT harm the dog!" AND "use the LEAST amount of energy needed when working with the dogs!

For sites like those quoted in the original post. I ALWAYS challenge them to produce any kind of medical documentation from anywhere, supporting their claims that ANY of the dogs that Cesar has helped directly have ever been harmed in anyway by his solutions! So for instance, in the second referenced site, where it talks about the ever famous episode of JonBee the Jindo wild dog, that the OWNERs have actully posted a letter for all to read in the DW Season 1-3 Episode guide that not only did Cesar NOT hurt JohnBee in any way, but was actually willing to risk harm to himself to help that dog. And again, Cesar being bitten by the dog he is working with is shown in MANY of the episodes around the more agressive behavior dogs.

Sites like this are only interested in promoting one side of the coin and NOT in presenting accurate information even when the errors are pointed out.
or instance in the second site, where it starts with:
BUT IT WORKS...the response I quote is
"I have not seen changed behavior on the show. I do see dogs with suppressed behaviors; dogs walking on very tight leashes, dogs that are stiff and immobile after being rolled onto their sides by force, dogs that are in almost every case restrained or shut down in some form or another. "

This statement demonstrates to me that this individual is ONLY looking at the problem description part of the show OR ignoring the FULL solution explanation/demonstration.
Cesar is COMPLETELY clear to the open mind that he NEVER allows the dog to be walked on a tight leash as a solution although most of the time, that is part of the problem eplaination. He NEVER allows the episode to be wrapped unless the owner demonstrates successful loose leash walks in front of environmental distrations.

As far as the rigid dog on the side, stiff and imobile again - he ALWAYS demonstrates how to watch for the dog's shift in energy, which DOES happen in a matter of minutes and more importantly, how to reward that dog's relaxation with "positive treats" such as massage.

I could spend the rest of the day counteracting each of the negative points brought up by people who offer no verifiable documentation for their positions and have themselves suspect positions for why they take an opposing position when one has never been sought and infact rigorously avoided by Cesar Millan.

On the other hand, the long term success of the changes are doumented in the DW Episode Guide Season 1-3 book. Further, if you go to:
DogWhispererFans : Dog Whisper Fans and Friends-Problem Dog
you can review the open archives of over 60,000 messages from ordinary people like you and me requesting help for their dogs and the resulting sucess stories from using Cesar's way to change their own dogs behaviors!

All Cesar cares about, is the welfare of the dogs -and if Ian's (and other opposing "professionals") efforts and solutions works, then Cesar will give a standing ovation!

I never needed Cesar's way for the first 45 years of my life being surrounded by family good dogs, including my parent's show dogs.

The day AFTER the first episode of Cesar's I stepped up to SAFELY rescue a redzone chowchow for which animal control had been called to capture and destroy. You can see his story and many of the other 30 problem dogs I have been able to help rehab and rehome at my youtube site. YouTube - cjanderson's Channel using Cesar's behavior solutions. I only work with problem dogs now who have no hope without solutions like Cesar's to rehabilitate them so they can find and live in a good forever home!

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Originally Posted by carol

great post. yeah some only see one side of things

Originally Posted by JANICE199

well!!! i will stick to my guns on this one...he's the best in my oppion. and watching him on tv i think he works wonders...plus i think he is cute

Originally Posted by carol

well ive been watching his programmes for a while and nothing ive seen to make me say that shouldnt be done

if you dont like the way he trains then dont watch it simple.

Originally Posted by jackson

Well, the american humane society have a problem with it. Some of what happens never gets to our screens.

I don't watch it anymore, because it upsets me far too much. However, it bothers me, and it bothers me that people who don't know any better wil watch his show and not see any problems with it.

If you know anything about canine body language, and watch some of his stuff on You Tube first with sound off, then on, you will realise that what he is saying is happening and what is actually happening are two different things. If I could get on Youtube at te moment, I'd post an example. (PC won't play videos)

Of course, nothing I think or say is likely to make any difference, as people will make their own decision. But just like me hating puppy farming will never make any difference. doesn't mean I'll just forget about it, or stop speaking out about it at any given opportunity.