these kinda debate threads tend to end up with someone being bullied. I have no opinion of him myself - then again i think most behaviourist are a load of ******** anyway

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While I am all for eac to their own, where it crosses a line regarding animal welfare, I tend to disagree.

However, I don't see why people can't discuss sensibly and have strong views without things getting unpleasant.

pmsl well thats one way to look at itD

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Cesar Millan: The Dog Whisperer? The history, background and reputation of Cesar Millan.

Some more info, including Mialn using a shock collar, which was not shown to the viewing public and resulted in the dog turning on it's owner and biting her. Also a case of a dog being partially asphixiated by his methods,a nd another left bleeding from the nose.

Also some comments from some very well known and respected dog behaviourists on his methods. Ian Dunbar polite and tactful as always!

If anyone can show me a respected behaviourist condonign his methods, I'd be interested.

haha yeah
an out of control dog is usually down to the owner being weak and they dont punish it themselves. getting a behaviourist is the easy way our for these people.

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i dont think anyone's condoning his methods... this thread is another one of many of the same agenda

What do you think of Cesar Millan? (the dog whisperer)

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i hadnt seen that thread before.but made good reading thankyou

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He has a DW Season 1-3 Episode guide out now (season 4 is still in progress thanks to the writers strike), which lists 4 episodes for collie breeds and 4 for shelties! His teaching on how important their herding instinct was was such an epithany for me, if only I had understood how my sheltie was acting that out with his circling behavior! Now I am working wth another herding breed has had problems nipping and I can see and work with it so much easier now.

Actually I would have to respectfully disagree!
I do problem dog rescue and have helped foster Best Friends (Dog Town) dogs when they come into town for their weekend adoptathons. I always ask for the most high energy challengeing adult dogs to work with. I also have helped with rescue transports so that over the last 3 eyars I have been able to help motify the behavior of about 30 rescue dogs many who would otherwise have been euthanized because of their problems!

You can see some of the movies of how I have used Cesar's way on them at my youtube site:
YouTube - cjanderson's Channel

It always saddens me to see such articles because of the need to sensationalize as well as the misinformation that is written and not challenged because readers do not know any better.

For instance, in the first article, the comment about pitting Ian against Cesar - this is a media ploy that Ian has been very successful in using to get press time that he otherwise would not. Do you notice the phrasing for instance "Ian points out..."? You NEVER see Cesar speak out against or negatively about anyone or any solutions. In fact, the article is a LIE from this position because Cesar has been documented in many sources saying "ALL ways are good that do NOT harm the dog!" AND "use the LEAST amount of energy needed when working with the dogs!

For sites like those quoted in the original post. I ALWAYS challenge them to produce any kind of medical documentation from anywhere, supporting their claims that ANY of the dogs that Cesar has helped directly have ever been harmed in anyway by his solutions! So for instance, in the second referenced site, where it talks about the ever famous episode of JonBee the Jindo wild dog, that the OWNERs have actully posted a letter for all to read in the DW Season 1-3 Episode guide that not only did Cesar NOT hurt JohnBee in any way, but was actually willing to risk harm to himself to help that dog. And again, Cesar being bitten by the dog he is working with is shown in MANY of the episodes around the more agressive behavior dogs.

Sites like this are only interested in promoting one side of the coin and NOT in presenting accurate information even when the errors are pointed out.
or instance in the second site, where it starts with:
BUT IT WORKS...the response I quote is
"I have not seen changed behavior on the show. I do see dogs with suppressed behaviors; dogs walking on very tight leashes, dogs that are stiff and immobile after being rolled onto their sides by force, dogs that are in almost every case restrained or shut down in some form or another. "

This statement demonstrates to me that this individual is ONLY looking at the problem description part of the show OR ignoring the FULL solution explanation/demonstration.
Cesar is COMPLETELY clear to the open mind that he NEVER allows the dog to be walked on a tight leash as a solution although most of the time, that is part of the problem eplaination. He NEVER allows the episode to be wrapped unless the owner demonstrates successful loose leash walks in front of environmental distrations.

As far as the rigid dog on the side, stiff and imobile again - he ALWAYS demonstrates how to watch for the dog's shift in energy, which DOES happen in a matter of minutes and more importantly, how to reward that dog's relaxation with "positive treats" such as massage.

I could spend the rest of the day counteracting each of the negative points brought up by people who offer no verifiable documentation for their positions and have themselves suspect positions for why they take an opposing position when one has never been sought and infact rigorously avoided by Cesar Millan.

On the other hand, the long term success of the changes are doumented in the DW Episode Guide Season 1-3 book. Further, if you go to:
DogWhispererFans : Dog Whisper Fans and Friends-Problem Dog
you can review the open archives of over 60,000 messages from ordinary people like you and me requesting help for their dogs and the resulting sucess stories from using Cesar's way to change their own dogs behaviors!

All Cesar cares about, is the welfare of the dogs -and if Ian's (and other opposing "professionals") efforts and solutions works, then Cesar will give a standing ovation!

I never needed Cesar's way for the first 45 years of my life being surrounded by family good dogs, including my parent's show dogs.

The day AFTER the first episode of Cesar's I stepped up to SAFELY rescue a redzone chowchow for which animal control had been called to capture and destroy. You can see his story and many of the other 30 problem dogs I have been able to help rehab and rehome at my youtube site. YouTube - cjanderson's Channel using Cesar's behavior solutions. I only work with problem dogs now who have no hope without solutions like Cesar's to rehabilitate them so they can find and live in a good forever home!

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