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Old 09-07-2008, 06:13 PM
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Re: Pup messing in crate!!

I have posted this elsewhere, just went back and cut/pasted
"I am sure that you know that dogs may not have the neurological wherewithall to be properly houstrained until they are around six months old, until then we are actually managing their continence for them!
First thoroughly clean the cage and the bedding to get rid of any lingering smell. If you can then put it somewhere else and clean the floor where it was. Now comes the hard bit, its called "no error" training and you will LOVE it (not)

Jake has to learn to "go" somwhere else...so for 48 hours, minimum the dog never leaves your side. You can either stay awake (easier if there is more than one of you lol) or the dog sleeps next to where you sleep BUT you have to be a light sleeper. Confine him or have him on a lead but makes sure that whatever you do you can get him outside fast but calmly. Everytime he wakes, you go outside and wait until he goes and he will go...don't talk to him., play with him, anything, just keep him outside till he goes (good job its summer!!) don't let him go anywhere else but outside. You might want to "scent" an area ouside with a little of his poo but don't overdo it, some dogs are fastidious.

When he finally performs in the right place, let him finish and them praise him really well give him food treats, cuddles, whatever but make sure he understands that that performance has hit the reward jackpot....and keep doing it.


I didn't know what I was doing, but we have always "no error" trained our dogs over the last 20 years. We are now on puppies 4 and 5. These have been a bit slower to catch on than the rest because the breeder had paper trained them so they had to unlearn that first...still they were clean immediately and dry within 4 weeks provided we adhered to the schedule (out on waking, out after food, out before going in car, out on return home out after or during excited play and by default every 30 mins during the day. During the night, out EVERY time they wake.
Its not as bad as it sounds as they very quickly sleep through on this regime. The first few nights are lively, after that it settles down.

and good luck....this DOES work!"

If you are going to leave your littlie in a crate for any length of time make sure that he has wee'd and poo'd and is ready to sleep.
I have crate for my two and they did used to sleep in it but in my bedroom so that when they woke out they went.

The point of no error is that the pup is allowed to make as few mistakes as you possibly can ...he always does the right thing, therefore never learns its okay to go in the house.

As I said it is exhausting and weird but boy does it work.....provided that you keep in mind that you are managing their continence not them, you can have them clean in 2 or 3 days, even 24 hours if you focus and dry in a week or less, again if you focus and put the work in and keep it up.
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:05 AM
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Re: Pup messing in crate!!

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I have posted this elsewhere, just went back and cut/pasted
"I am sure that you know that dogs may not have the neurological wherewithall to be properly houstrained until they are around six months old, until then we are actually managing their continence for them!
First thoroughly clean the cage and the bedding to get rid of any lingering smell. If you can then put it somewhere else and clean the floor where it was. Now comes the hard bit, its called "no error" training and you will LOVE it (not)

Jake has to learn to "go" somwhere else...so for 48 hours, minimum the dog never leaves your side. You can either stay awake (easier if there is more than one of you lol) or the dog sleeps next to where you sleep BUT you have to be a light sleeper. Confine him or have him on a lead but makes sure that whatever you do you can get him outside fast but calmly. Everytime he wakes, you go outside and wait until he goes and he will go...don't talk to him., play with him, anything, just keep him outside till he goes (good job its summer!!) don't let him go anywhere else but outside. You might want to "scent" an area ouside with a little of his poo but don't overdo it, some dogs are fastidious.

When he finally performs in the right place, let him finish and them praise him really well give him food treats, cuddles, whatever but make sure he understands that that performance has hit the reward jackpot....and keep doing it.


I didn't know what I was doing, but we have always "no error" trained our dogs over the last 20 years. We are now on puppies 4 and 5. These have been a bit slower to catch on than the rest because the breeder had paper trained them so they had to unlearn that first...still they were clean immediately and dry within 4 weeks provided we adhered to the schedule (out on waking, out after food, out before going in car, out on return home out after or during excited play and by default every 30 mins during the day. During the night, out EVERY time they wake.
Its not as bad as it sounds as they very quickly sleep through on this regime. The first few nights are lively, after that it settles down.

and good luck....this DOES work!"

If you are going to leave your littlie in a crate for any length of time make sure that he has wee'd and poo'd and is ready to sleep.
I have crate for my two and they did used to sleep in it but in my bedroom so that when they woke out they went.

The point of no error is that the pup is allowed to make as few mistakes as you possibly can ...he always does the right thing, therefore never learns its okay to go in the house.

As I said it is exhausting and weird but boy does it work.....provided that you keep in mind that you are managing their continence not them, you can have them clean in 2 or 3 days, even 24 hours if you focus and dry in a week or less, again if you focus and put the work in and keep it up.
"No error training"? it just sounds like normal house training to me lol, and it's exactly what I am doing with my puppy at the moment.
I've had her for nearly 2 weeks and I've been doing this "toilet training" consistently since I got her, so I personally am not too sure about having them clean/dry" in such a short time. I have taken time off from my part time job and since I got Foxy I haven't been out, apart from to the vets with her for her first vacs and to the shops lastnight, so there hasn't really been a chance for me to have left her alone for too long to have mistakes. I am constantly keeping my eye on her (she does have alone time though, so she doesn't get used to being with me 24/7) and putting her out for loos, but I very much doubt she is toilet trained yet, nowhere near... even though I have been very consistent.

If anyone else can get their pup toilet trained in a week, let me know PLEASE haha...

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Old 10-07-2008, 12:09 AM
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If anyone else can get their pup toilet trained in a week, let me know PLEASE haha...
We got Trinny toilet trained in less than a week and Jayjay has been clean since he was 3 1/2 months old. Well you did ask!
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:12 AM
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We got Trinny toilet trained in less than a week and Jayjay has been clean since he was 3 1/2 months old. Well you did ask!
How old was Trinny?

My pup's not even 3 months yet, so I am not expecting too much from her. I know it's going to take more time.
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:16 AM
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How old was Trinny?

My pup's not even 3 months yet, so I am not expecting too much from her. I know it's going to take more time.
Trinny was 12 weeks when we got her and hasn't had an accident since the first week we had her, she is a very very very clever dog though and has clicked on to everything like lightening!

Jayjay was 8 weeks when we got him and it took 5/6 weeks to get him totally sorted, he was just having the odd accident really, he went through a phase of doing one wee a day in the house and everything else outside, which was a bit frustrating but we got there in the end!
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:21 AM
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Trinny was 12 weeks when we got her and hasn't had an accident since the first week we had her, she is a very very very clever dog though and has clicked on to everything like lightening!

Jayjay was 8 weeks when we got him and it took 5/6 weeks to get him totally sorted, he was just having the odd accident really, he went through a phase of doing one wee a day in the house and everything else outside, which was a bit frustrating but we got there in the end!
Aww sounds like you have 2 great doggies there!

Did they start to wait at the backdoor at an early age to let you know they needed to go? This is the next step I need to take with Foxy, because at the moment, the only reason she is going to the loo outside is because I just pick her up out of nowhere and take her out. I want her to learn to go to the back door and let me know she needs to pee/poo. But this will only happen when she has full run of the house all day. At the moment she has her crate and an area in the living room during the day. I let her roam the kitchen and living room once I know she's just urinated or pooped. So soon I will need to let her have more area to roam and then she can get into the hallway to the backdoor... fingers crossed she'll get the hang of it!
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:25 AM
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"No error training"? it just sounds like normal house training to me
I thought that too, how else do you toilet train!?!

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Did they start to wait at the backdoor at an early age to let you know they needed to go?
No we've got a dog flap so they can get out whenever they need to go!
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Old 10-07-2008, 02:23 AM
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Help!!! We have just bought a springer spaniel pup, 8 weeks old! He is absolutley adorable! On the first day of having him, we had a few accidents but I have been persistent in taking him out every half hour or so and touch wood, for the past 2 days he has done all his business outside with no accidents.
My only problem is, I was given a crate to keep him in during the night and for an hour or so during the day if we go out. However, it seems the minute we put him in there he poos, i have put paper in aswel as his bed, but he ends up in a right smelly mess!!
I take him before we go to bed tr go out and he always does something and I dont make a fuss when i put him away.
Has anyone any ideas as to what I should do? I didnt set put to crate train as I really dont know how it works, just want to make sure he is safe at night! He also whines and yelps for a good hour when he first goes in and starts again even before light!
Your puppy must be in his crate WHENEVER he is not eating, drinking, relieving himself, or being actively played with and supervised.
Here's a sample crate-training schedule: puppy goes in the crate for a couple of hours (he'll sleep during most of this time), then out for a toilet session, a meal, and a playtime of one or two hours. Then it's time for another toilet call, and back in the crate for another sleep (should last about two to four hours).
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Old 10-07-2008, 07:01 AM
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How old was Trinny?

My pup's not even 3 months yet, so I am not expecting too much from her. I know it's going to take more time.

Its not what you expect from the pup, its what you expect from yourself....you are managing the pups continence and laying down the foundations for the adult dog to manage their own...the taking out should be routine, not just when you think the pup needs to go also this means that you can get pup to folllow you out to the garden, not always scoop them up and rush them out although that will happen too

You aren't toilet training them, you are MANAGING their continence....and yes if you are focussed and work at it, you can do it in a week!
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Old 10-07-2008, 09:40 AM
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Your puppy must be in his crate WHENEVER he is not eating, drinking, relieving himself, or being actively played with and supervised.
Here's a sample crate-training schedule: puppy goes in the crate for a couple of hours (he'll sleep during most of this time), then out for a toilet session, a meal, and a playtime of one or two hours. Then it's time for another toilet call, and back in the crate for another sleep (should last about two to four hours).
Do you wanna learn more in housebreaking your dog
What the hell? I hope that's a joke!
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