Pup messing in crate!! - Page 2

shelley · #11 (**permalink**) 07-07-2008, 01:48 PM

Hiya, thanks for your help, he is 8 weeks old, i have tried to settle him in to routine for his dinners and take him straight out when he does his poop. The only worry I had if I was to get up in the night to take him out would be that he would then start whining and barking again for another hour or so! Bit of a catch 22.

shelley · #12 (**permalink**) 07-07-2008, 01:52 PM

Hi again, yes im sorry, new to this, didnt know if i had doneit right the first time so posted it again to make sure! Once again thanks for your help and advice, any more you have is very very welcome.

Kay2008 · #13 (**permalink**) 07-07-2008, 01:55 PM

Hey I'll post in here to stop it getting confusing swapping between threads hehe

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Originally Posted by shelley

Hiya, thanks for your help, he is 8 weeks old, i have tried to settle him in to routine for his dinners and take him straight out when he does his poop. The only worry I had if I was to get up in the night to take him out would be that he would then start whining and barking again for another hour or so! Bit of a catch 22.

Yes, that's a bit of a hard one! Puppies can be very hard work... would you consider having him sleep in his crate in your room or very near your room? that might make it easier on him not feeling so alone. Then as he grows gradually move his crate further away, till you eventually get him into the room you want.

I do think it would be best to get up a few times during the night to take him out though, as he is going to keep doing his business in there otherwise. He could start to think it's okay to do that in there, which isn't what you want.

Foxy sleeps in her crate in my room. She will stay there even when she's older, so that's probably why I am finding it easier. During the night she's only needed wee's no poops. The past couple of nights she hasn't even needed to urinate during the night... and just did it first thing in the morning instead when I took her out.

I hope you can sort it out soon... as we all know new puppies can get frustrating, but it's worth it in the end!

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Originally Posted by shelley

Hi again, yes im sorry, new to this, didnt know if i had doneit right the first time so posted it again to make sure! Once again thanks for your help and advice, any more you have is very very welcome.

It's ok! Sometimes this forum stuff can get confusing! You'll soon get the hang of it

shelley · #14 (**permalink**) 07-07-2008, 01:55 PM

Hiya, thats fine. no i didnt set out to crate train him at all, but we were offered a crate and thought it would keep him out of harms way. I have no idea about crate training so any advice you have is truly welcome!

#15 (**permalink**) 07-07-2008, 01:56 PM

Did you properly crate train him?

If the crates too big you can section it off so his space grows as he does or put a bed one end and a toilet area the other end. I prefer the former as paper seems pointless to me as you are training them to do something you don't want them to do in the long run.

#16 (**permalink**) 07-07-2008, 02:02 PM

Just seen your reply on the other thread, you can't just chuck a pup in a crate and expect him to love it, he needs to be properly trained to see his crate as his den / safe place.

I've copy and pasted this from another website, not sure on the original source but hope it helps:

The Crate Training Process

Crate training can take days or weeks, depending on your dog’s age, temperament and past experiences. It’s important to keep two things in mind while crate training. The crate should always be associated with something pleasant, and training should take place in a series of small steps - don’t go too fast, as this can cause anxiety in you pet and an overall fear and dislike of the new crate.

Step 1: Introducing Your Dog To The Crate
Put the crate in an area of your house where the family spends a lot of time, such as the family room.

Put a soft blanket or towel in the crate. Bring your dog over to the crate and talk to him in a happy tone of voice. Make sure the crate door is securely fastened opened so it won’t hit your dog and frighten him.

To encourage your dog to enter the crate, drop some small food treats near it, then just inside the door, and finally, all the way inside the crate. If he refuses to go all the way in at first, that’s okay – don’t force him to enter. Continue tossing treats into the crate until your dog will walk calmly all the way into the crate to get the food. If he isn’t interested in treats, try tossing a favourite toy in the crate. This step may take a few minutes or as long as several days.

Step 2: Feeding Your Dog His Meals In The Crate

After introducing your dog to the crate, begin feeding him his regular meals near the crate. This will create a pleasant association with the crate. If your dog is readily entering the crate when you begin Step 2, put the food dish all the way at the back of the crate. If your dog is still reluctant to enter the crate, put the dish only as far inside as he will readily go without becoming fearful or anxious. Each time you feed him, place the dish a little further back in the crate.

Once your dog is standing comfortably in the crate to eat his meal, you can close the door while he’s eating. At first, open the door as soon as he finishes his meal. With each successive feeding, leave the door closed a few minutes longer, until he’s staying in the crate for ten minutes or so after eating. If he begins to whine to be let out, you may have increased the length of time too quickly. Next time, try leaving him in the crate for a shorter time period. If he does whine or cry in the crate, it’s imperative that you not let him out until he stops. Otherwise, he’ll learn that the way to get out of the crate is to whine, so he’ll keep doing it.

Step 3: Conditioning Your Dog For Longer Time Periods
After your dog is eating his regular meals in the crate with no sign of fear or anxiety, you can confine him there for short time periods while you’re home. Call him over to the crate and give him a treat. Give him a command to enter such as, "kennel up." Encourage him by pointing to the inside of the crate with a treat in your hand. After your dog enters the crate, praise him, give him the treat and close the door. Sit quietly near the crate for five to ten minutes and then go into another room for a few minutes. Return, sit quietly again for a short time, then let him out of the crate. Repeat this process several times a day.

With each repetition,gradually increase the length of time you leave him in the crate and the length of time you’re out of his sight. Once your dog will stay quietly in the crate for about 30 minutes with you out of sight the majority of the time, you can begin leaving him crated when you’re gone for short time periods and/or letting him sleep there at night. This may take several days or several weeks

Step 4: Crating Your Dog When Left Alone:
After your dog is spending about 30 minutes in the crate without becoming anxious or afraid, you can begin leaving him crated for short periods when you leave the house. Put him in the crate using your regular command and a treat. You might also want to leave him with a few safe toys in the crate. You’ll want to vary at what point in your "getting ready to leave" routine you put your dog in the crate. Although he shouldn’t be crated for a long time before you leave, you can crate him anywhere from five to 20 minutes prior to leaving.

Don’t make your departures emotional and prolonged, but matter-of-fact. Praise your dog briefly, give him a treat for entering the crate and then leave quietly. When you return home, don’t reward your dog for excited behaviour by responding to him in an excited, enthusiastic way. Keep arrivals low key. Continue to crate your dog for short periods from time to time when you’re home so he doesn’t associate crating with being left alone.

Part 5: Crating Your Dog At Night:

Put your dog in the crate using your regular command and a treat. Initially, it may be a good idea to put the crate in your bedroom or nearby in a hallway, especially if you have a puppy. Puppies often need to go outside to eliminate during the night, and you’ll want to be able to hear your puppy when he whines to be let outside. Older dogs, too, should initially be kept nearby so that crating doesn’t become associated with social isolation. Once your dog is sleeping comfortably through the night with his crate near you, you can begin to gradually move it to the location you prefer.

Potential Problems Too Much Time In The Crate
A crate isn’t a magical solution. If not used correctly, a dog can feel trapped and frustrated. For example, if your dog is crated all day while you’re at work and then crated again all night, he’s spending too much time in too small a space. Other arrangements should be made to accommodate his physical and emotional needs. Also remember that puppies under six months of age shouldn’t stay in a crate for more than three or four hours at a time.

Whinning

If your dog whines or cries while in the crate at night, it may be difficult to decide whether he’s whining to be let out of the crate, or whether he needs to be let outside to eliminate. If you followed the training procedures outlined above, your dog hasn’t been rewarded for whining in the past by being released from his crate.

Try to ignore the whining. If your dog is just testing you, he’ll probably stop whining soon. Yelling at him or pounding on the crate will only make things worse. If the whining continues after you’ve ignored him for several minutes, use the phrase he associates with going outside to eliminate. If he responds and becomes excited, take him outside. This should be a trip with a purpose, not play time. If you’re convinced that your dog doesn’t need to eliminate, the best response is to ignore him until he stops whining. Don’t give in, otherwise you’ll teach your dog to whine loud and long to get what he wants. If you’ve progressed gradually through the training steps and haven’t done too much too fast, you’ll be less likely to encounter this problem. If the problem becomes unmanageable, you may need to start the crate training process over again.

shelley · #17 (**permalink**) 07-07-2008, 02:12 PM

Thanks for that it was very informative. As i said i dint set out to crate train him so thats why i didnt know what to do. Think I will try the crate training process and see if i can help him settle.

#18 (**permalink**) 07-07-2008, 02:15 PM

I'm not having a go, if you're not told you don't know!

I think it would be best to go back and start from the begining!

shelley · #19 (**permalink**) 07-07-2008, 02:21 PM

Thanks again for your help and advice, just as a matter of interest, being niave on the crate training process, would YOU advise to crate train or is the more conventional way of a room, his bed, and paper just as successful.

sallyanne · #20 (**permalink**) 07-07-2008, 02:23 PM

It may also be do with either the Breeder not keeping the bedding area clean or the Dam not cleaning up after pups properly,they then get into a habit of soiling in there beddng area,which can be hard to break.

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