video-links: adult dogs play with pups *What Do U See?*

leashedForLife · #1 (**permalink**) 21-03-2010, 04:05 PM

Beagle attacks Rott
YouTube - Beagle Puppy Attacks Rottweiler
this M-pup is 9-WO and very co-ordinated; he is also very, very excited + plays pretty rough with the adult-M Rott (who has recently had some ? surgery? - his entire belly + lower torso have been shaved; thats skin with stubble, not haircoat).

A: Beagle dam plays with several of her pups
YouTube - Beagle Puppies & Mom Playtime
these infants are just 4-WO; they are wobbly + slow, without much endurance.
notice how much more self-handicapping Mom does, compared to the Rott w/older pup;
at the START Watch the lemon + white M - he is Not Sure how much of this is play, he hesitates, tail falls then comes up, freezes, cowers momentarily, etc.

B: same litter + dam; everybody is involved
YouTube - Beagle Puppies Playing with Mom
NOW - look at the same Lemon + White M-pup!
see how much bolder he is? he has learnt to recognize PLAY, even bolder, more intrusive play from his mum, without any hesitation - it is no longer a tentative activity, he is brash + engaging. this is fun!

a 5 to 6-MO M-Dobe pup and a 9 to 12-MO F-Rott in a neighborhood park (Italy)
YouTube - Rottweiler VS Dobermann
the Dobe has just a nubbin tail - maybe ONE vertebra!

the Rott has her entire sabre-tail.
watch the curving body-lines, loose movement, rocking-horse runs.
NOTICE how much harder it is to parse the Dobe sans tail, than the Rott!

contrast ALL of those encounters with THIS one -
Terrier x Chi M-pup, maybe 9-WO; young-adult F-GSD perhaps 12 to 15-MO
YouTube - Cute puppy attacks German Sheppard
the GSD is very apropos + wants only to play - the TERRIERIST-mix is scared, uncertain,
very threatening, vocal - ATTACKS the GSD from ambush, the GSD converts it to a game,
but notice the puppy bites so hard repeatedly that the GSD yelps at one point.
does a lot of self-calming, shakes-off, disengages, does NOT laugh-pant -
listen to the GSD U can clearly hear the irregular laugh-pant of a happy, non-threatening dog.
the Terrierist-mix is mostly CLOSE-mouthed (tension) and growling, not laughing.
he is playing, but frightened.
this Chi-mix is a dog that i would fully-expect to be difficult life-long with other dogs,
ESPECIALLY same-sex; if i saw this in a clients pup, i would suggest that they talk to the vet
about both the behavior + desex between 4 + 5-MO; a toy-dog matures physically faster,
and his legs epiphyses will be closed by 16 to 18-WO.
the less spike in his testosterone, the better as he goes into puberty.
he will IMO need some behavioral intervention - the longer it is delayed, the worse his dog:dog behavior,
and the more intensive, complex + slow his B-Mod.

other than the GSD wrapping both wrists over the Chi-X to save her face by restraining him mildly -
was there any restraint of pups by adults?
Was there even ONE instance of rolling by the adult?
did U see pinning? neck-pokes or muzzle-punches? other than the Chi-X were there hard bites?

i did not SELF-select these, except as pups with adults -
heres a copy of my search-page;
YouTube - beagle attacksd rottweiler
around 11-pm last night, i saw the Beagle-Attacks-Rott on another website WITHOUT attribution or permission;
i dislike patronizing such un-ethical ppl, so i hunted it up on U-Tube, posted by the Rotts owner.

if i can stumble-over a random bunch of pups + dogs at play, and there are none of the punishing or quashing behaviors so often described by a certain smiling TV-presenter

i rather doubt they are so universal + ubiquitous as he claims...
funny how after over-20-years in dogs, >> I << have yet to see any of them OTHER * THAN during fights.

anybody else have video of Adults Playing With Pups?

if so, please share!

thanks so much,
--- terry

SpringerHusky · #2 (**permalink**) 21-03-2010, 05:18 PM

Very intresting post, thanks for that and I agree, I'm sorry I do not like the way the chi mix "played" with the shepherd

I have some snippets but only found this video;

YouTube - Merry Christmas
Rusty is 12months old here just shy of 13 months. He likes grabbing other dogs tails which often annoys everyone including his mum who as you'll see will tell him off sometimes.

YouTube - Barney & Sassy
I have to say although this is not a puppy (although Barney was around a year old so technically was still a puppy) it's interesting to watch him interact with a small kitten despite what looks like it hurt at one point with her teeth stuck in his cheek

ArwenLune · #3 (**permalink**) 21-03-2010, 05:50 PM

luvmydogs from this forum just posted a video of a 4 (or is it 5 now?) week old pup playing with her 1-year old auntie:

DoraandConnie.flv video by jackiegraves - Photobucket

Vicki · #4 (**permalink**) 21-03-2010, 06:15 PM

I don't know how to link to videos on my blog, but you'll find it if you scroll down to the end of this post:
Vickan och Myrrhas sida: Sol!

It is my two dogs playing. Lyle, the Border Collie cross, is 5 years old and Chansa, the Belgian Malinois puppy is about 4 months old in the video. It's interesting to see that he tells her off, but he's not at all as violent as some people say that dogs are to each other.

SpringerHusky · #5 (**permalink**) 21-03-2010, 06:47 PM

I found another one of mine;

YouTube - Woodland walk
Half way into the video you'll see Molly the 2 year old english bull terrier mix playing with Bear who is about 5/6 months old

leashedForLife · #6 (**permalink**) 21-03-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicki

Lyle, the BC-cross, is 5-YO and Chansa, the Belgian Malinois puppy is about 4-MO in the video. ...he tells her off, but he's not at all as violent as some people say that dogs are to each other.

hey, vicki! :--)
yes, the BSD-Mal is pushing limits -
biting much too hard, this is not so much play for the BC-X as it is harassment + pain, frankly.
she;s being a real pistol,

like thats rare in BSD-Mals

i WISH he would simply tell her off firmly + remove himself as a chew-object;
even after he repeatedly vocalizes in protest and (finally) gives her a snarl-snap , she persists in chewing on him.
if these were MY dogs, i;d remove the adult-dog for playtime with me, and PARK Miz-Teethy for a time-out, till she chilled
(with a chewie, of course - she;s teething).

what a stinker she is!

Malinois think limits are for Other Dogs...

very tolerant older-dog, especially as her pup-license is expiring!
--- terry

Vicki · #7 (**permalink**) 21-03-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by leashedForLife

hey, vicki! :--)
yes, the BSD-Mal is pushing limits -
biting much too hard, this is not so much play for the BC-X as it is harassment + pain, frankly.
she;s being a real pistol,

like thats rare in BSD-Mals

i WISH he would simply tell her off firmly + remove himself as a chew-object;
even after he repeatedly vocalizes in protest and (finally) gives her a snarl-snap , she persists in chewing on him.
if these were MY dogs, i;d remove the adult-dog for playtime with me, and PARK Miz-Teethy for a time-out, till she chilled
(with a chewie, of course - she;s teething).

what a stinker she is!

Malinois think limits are for Other Dogs...

very tolerant older-dog, especially as her pup-license is expiring!
--- terry

She definately thinks that limits are not for her and she's constantly trying if what was not allowed two minutes ago might be allowed now

. He was a bit too tolerant towards her, but he's getting tougher and tougher on her as she's getting older. Although, I don't think that the Australian Shepherd bitch I had before would have been as tolerant as he is (but generally males are more tolerant than bitches).