oops! Sorry, cross post!

Command or trick it is irrelevant. Part of teaching any command is that you also teach the dog not to do it without being asked.

I personally do not teach my dogs to 'paw' because I don't see the need. My husband like to teach them 'paw' to ask for a treat, whereas I prefer them to sit or stand for a treat. They have never offered me their paw.

I also teach my dogs to jump up on command. However, they are not allowed to jump up without being given the command, and never do so, as they know to do it without the command is not rewarding.

For fun I also teach them to commando crawl, balance on their back legs like a meercat and sit up in the 'begging' position. All for fun and bonding. Again, they never do it without the behaviour being requested.

You are very lucky that your dogs are so well trained, and for that I admire you greatly,

The was an incident locally to us ( a long time ago) where a little girl had almost lost her eye because a dog had caught her in the eye (offering it's paw) in the eye. Big dogs hurt when they paw you, and I don't think it is something that 'serious' trainers would 'really' want to teach, Do you?
regards
Sue

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Its a commonly held myth that people with well trained dogs are lucky, it involves no luck at all unfortunately, just hard work, the harder you work, the luckier you get. jackson has well trained dogs because thats how she trains them.

As for giving paw its each to their own as you say Sue. as for whether serious dog trainers teach a dog to give a paw, some do, some don't, I suppose I would be classed as a serious dog trainer as I train and compete in competition, i don't train it, but for no other reason than I'm busy training other exercises.

Opps Sorry - slip of the tongue, shouldn't have said 'lucky' what is you peoples problem!!! are you all so tunnelled you cannot accept opinions??? !!!!! I said to the poster I was sorry for being harsh,IS THAT NOT ENOUGH - is all you have to live for to drag things on! bring in the Mob, I really have niehter the time nor the need for this stupidity, I'm off to train my dogs! Goodbye, I've done on here you can stick your forum as far as you can!
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I'm sorry i offended you in some way, enjoy training your dogs, I've just come in from training mine, because its so hot, never mind I'm sure I will be complaining its raining next week.

It's not so much that you offended my Jenny, I guess it is generally the way people attack each other with jibbed sarcastic comments on here, I only joined the forum a few days ago, Dogs and training are my prime interest. In my opinion, I made a comment on this thread that I read afterwards and felt it was rather 'harsh' I consequently apolygised to the poster. In my opinion thats the end of it, why keep going on about it, and why people make sarcastic barbed comments is beyond me sarcasm is the lowest form of wit! I consider everything I have said in previous posts has been constructive, or compassinate.
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DT

ps - I didn't go out in the day for the same reason you have just come it, because it was too hot, thats why I'm off out now, another difference of opinion - are we going to get sarcastic over that I wonder?

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Sorry again Sue I wasn't aware I was being sarcastic, I was just stating my opinion, and agreeing with you over the paw thing, each to there own. Do you train your dogs to compete Sue or for general obedience ?

We just lost our best dog, Jenny, (11/3/08) she was Just 4 years old and was diagognose with AI in August 06 , we are heartbroken, The puppy we have now (7 month now) we shall be training for agility when she is around 15 months. We are currently playing at tracking with her, , we are doing 3 classes a week plus quite a bit of training here, but she is hard work, I know you cannot replace a dog with a dog but our hearts just don't seem to be in it any more. Our eldest dog has just turned 7years old, he had been so badly abused when we took him on, he suffers real bad fear aggression, he has come on, but will never be 100% sound.
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sue

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So sorry you lost your dog, such a sad time, they give you so much, but then sadly leave a very large hole in your life.

I love tracking my dog, thats what I was out doing at about five, I'd laid the track at three, but she needed experience of tracking after a couple of hours of sun on it, good result though, she finished it fresh as a daisy, me on the other hand, puffing and blowing, red as a beetroot and ready for a lie down.

What breed of dogs do you own ?

Nooo seriously I was just wondering if I should stop asking Jasper for paw because you said its a submissive thing was just wondering - all I want is the best for Jas

no hard fellings AT ALL

Edit / Add :

Sue I really honestly didnt mean to sound horrible or anything ! aww I feel so bad .. I honestly just wanted to know if you thought it would be a good idea to stop asking Jas for paw ( he never does just randomly give me his paw i have to say paw and put my hand up for him as like a que ) , but I wouldnt like him to start pawing me and as you said wild dogs 'give' there paw as a sign off submission .


Im so sorry about your dog it awfull what happened .
good luck with your puppy though im sure she will do great in agility
( Jasper is just mastering the weaving poles lol.. its hard work but with 2 full days of training he now does them but not on his own he follows your hand through .. not bad i dont think for 2 days if i may so so anyway lol )

I really admire your posts and such just like your attitude and methods of training dogs and puppys .. anyway like I said I was just asking about the paw thing not criticizing or anything and I hate to think you thought thats the way I meant it .. Im sorry really am sorry