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I know its slightly off subject, but i have seen it written many times on the forum that it is terrible that a pup leaves the litter prior to 8 weeks, I believe this to be untrue, my husband and myself always get or pups at 6 weeks. I have found it to be damaging for the pup to stay longer than this in certain cases, i.e. large boisterous litters or quiet environments. A strong fully weaned pup at the age of six weeks settles in very quickly, especially if the breeder has done their work on establishing a coping strategy in the dog for being left alone for small periods of time, they tend to be friendly with other dogs, but not boisterous, nervous, or obsessed, as long as you got a good pup in the first place and continued to socialise it correctly.

Back to the actual question, Molly has gone from a quiet environment into a busy one, none of her training was sound enough to carry through strongly in the new environment, nothing you'd done wrong, just didn't have enough time.

Continue with your training of yours and your mums pup, on their own at first, without the distractions of the other dogs.
Once that seems to be going really well have the quietest calmest dog in the room laid down while you train the pup.
Gradually up the criteria to other areas or extra dogs, if you start to see a breakdown in your training, you have just gone too far too soon, go back to the previous step.

I don't envy you training two pups its hard work.

Your pup is probably just confused about toilet training, stay out with her until shes been, even if it takes an hour so you can praise, at least its nice weather at the moment, its much worse if its raining or snowing.

Good luck with you training.

I feel it's important thing I feel is that the training take place as a one to one with non of the other dogs present.

Please do not teach a dog 'paw'! IMO the only time a dog should raise it's paw it as a form of submission, unfortunately my pup has managed to pick up this irritating habit from some muppet who thought it would be funny to teach her without me knowing.

I have got to fly now but do find you post interesting and will have another look later, and hopefully be able to point you to some links
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Sue

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I kind of agree with you, but if a pup is being properly reared, it is beneficial for the pup to stay with Mum and littermates longer, especially if the new owner is not experienced or doesn't have another dog, as puppies learn valuble lessons, such as the start of bite inhibition and how to behave around other dogs whilst still in the litter.

Guide dog pups leave their Mum's at 6 weeks. I personally like my puppies to stay until just a bit longer than 7 weeks, but am happy for them to go before 8 if all circumstances warrant it. No puppy I have bred has ever cried at night in their new homes, and all have slept in the kitchen.

For what reason do you think a dog should not be taught 'paw'?

One thing I would have to disagree on on this one - 12 weeks imo is way too long for a pup to remain with the litter, the majority of weims I know on with problems have been due to 'unsufficient socializing (between the 8-12 week period' )usually solded cheeply by PF's between 12-16 weeks of age, don;'t imagine I am alone on this
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Sue

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I think I have to say sorry to the create of this post Jasper, I had no right to say that you should not ask for 'paw' we all expect different things from our dogs, there is a genuine person here, being truthful and asking advise, I went in like a bull at a gate. SORRY
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Sue
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No hard feelings I hope!!!!

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I have said I am sorry to the creator of this thread for saying this.

BUT - Dogs pawing in the wild is a submissive sign, Paw IMO is not a command, it's just a trick, hardly something that one would go to dog school to learn, encourages begging and is stupid thing to do in my eyes
End of on this subject from me
bye
Sue
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I don't really see the need for apologies, I am sure the OP is interested in opinions, I just find it useful to give the reasons for our opinions.

I am interested to know why you do not think a dog should be taught 'paw' though?