I have a 18 week old puppy who is paper trained however, he feels the need to poo in random places in the house while we are out.

He does poo outside and always wee's on paper.

Any advice on why he does this and how we can stop it ?

Thanks

What do yuo do if he toilets off the paper when you are there, and what do you do if you come back to poos?

He doesn't do it off the paper when we are in.

If we come back to it we put his nose in it and tell him 'no' and then take him to the paper.

Your puppy isn't being naughty. Dogs are amoral. They do not have any sense of right or wrong. They do know what is 'safe' and what is 'dangerous'. Dogs also only undertsand they are being praised, rewarded or told off for what they are doing at that exact time.

So, puppy poo's on the paper when you are there (I am assuming to start with he did poo off the paper and got the same telling off and nose rubbed in it?) because that is the 'safe' place to go when you are in. When you are out, it is 'safe' to go poo anywhere. When you come back, puppy gets told off and his nose rubbe din poo. So puppy starts to think, you coming back is bad, and I expect he is pretty quickly learning to act all submissive as if he knows he has done something 'wrong', when in actual fact he is sucking up to you as he knows you will be cross when you come back, but he doesn't know what for.

Your puppy doesn't understand that he is being told off for pooing in the house, just that when you get back you're cross with him. He will soon start to dread you coming home, which I am pretty sure you don't want?

Possible solutions are to confine puppy to a smaller area that is easy to clean when you go out, or crate train him as he will be very reluctant to toilet in his bed at all. Never tell him off if he toilets in the house, he is too young to be fully toilet trained yet. Instead, tell yourself off for not supervising him properly , and then reward your puppy very well when he does toilet outside.

The best and quickest way to toilet train a puppy is to supervise it 100% of the time, and aim to never let him toilet in the 'wrong' place. reward him generously when he does the 'right' thing.

A good book that has an excellent section on 'errorless house training' is Ian Dunbar's 'Before and After You Get Your Puppy'. Gwen Baileys' 'The Perfect Puppy' is also very good. Both from Amazon.

normally leave him in the kitchen overnight.. and he only does it on the paper at night..


just seems very off that during the day he will wee on the paper and then poo elsewhere..

Puppy's do things that seem odd to us. You shouldn't expect him to be toilet trained fully until around 6-8 months, maybe older.

Our 16 week old pup is pretty much toilet trained, but if I get complacent and the back door is closed, she might have the odd accident on the carpet. At night she will be clean/dry all night if in her crate, but will wee (and poo if she needs to!) on the kitchen floor if I don't crate her. Yet, during the day she knows the kitchen floor isn't for toileting, and will NEVER go there. She'll be fine once she's iolder though, just like the others.

Very well put can i say. Mark at the end of the day your 16 wk old puppy is still a baby,still learning and isnt totally house trained. People buy puppys and think they are fully trained on paper and thats not the case. Like Jackson says it can take up to them being 6 months old. When buying puppys i know they look cute and everything but they do need a lot of training and this bit is usually not thought about.

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i have a 2 and half year old dog as well.. hes fully house trained.. i had my previous dog for 12 years before she unfortunaly died.. ive trained dogs for relatives who dont have the patience ..

puppys are cute and i fully understand the process involved.. so please dont try and antagonise me.

The only reason ive asked is its something ive never come acorss before.. he knows not to do it in the house and to use his paper.. but hes not doing.. didnt know if i was missing something..

just to note.. Nobby was fully house trained by 12 weeks... house trained meaning he always used the paper.. even if he got caught short..

Jack (the puppy) was paper trained and has been using the paper uptil last week.. this week hes gone backwards and when no ones around tried to play hide the poo..

I wasnt having a go at you personally. Its swings and roundabouts with pups they are all still learning till 6 months old. Are all your dogs the same breed?

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yup always had collies..

tend to find most people seem to have a go at me young lad with dogs n all

i do appriciate the advice thanks