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Old 10-12-2009, 01:47 AM
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"Pin the dog 22 times a day."

That is what Brad Pattison (At the end of my leash / In the dog house) recommended in an episode of his show for a fearful dog that reacted adversely to people and dogs. Brad, like in every case, traces back this to the dog trying to become alpha.

Will he ever meet a dog that isn't trying to take over the world?

He claims that by pinning the dog 22 times a day, you will establish yourself into the alpha position. And teach the dog... something? Helplessness is my guess.

Is this an approach you would recommend or practice?
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Yikes! He sounds worse than the other little man! No I certainly would not recommend that hideous suggestion though I dare say that there will be those who can't or won't see anything wrong with it. Just promise me one thing? Keep him in America please? We don't want him in the UK, we got enough problems of our own and are busy trying to stop dog training from sliding back into the dark ages.

I have never ever recommended alpha rolling or harsh methods you know? I must have been a really cr*p dog training instructor and behaviourist all those years. Now I just watch and weep as I see these awful methods being unearthed and used again on our unsuspecting canine friends by those who don't (want to) know any better and are too lazy to try.
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Re: "Pin the dog 22 times a day."

Whatever just happened to training and socialsing your dog properly in the first place??

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Old 10-12-2009, 07:27 AM
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Re: "Pin the dog 22 times a day."

what if the person doing this "pinning" does it in an aggressive manner,gonna end up with a fearful dog or worse a fearful aggressive dog
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Old 10-12-2009, 09:41 AM
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Re: "Pin the dog 22 times a day."

Why isnt there trainers out there that advocate treating ur dog as one of the family this is what i teach my clients no harsh methods are used when correcting behaviour to gain desired results
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Re: "Pin the dog 22 times a day."

I saw this programme once and would never watch it again.
The episode I saw there was a Great Dane who took food left lying about so the 'trainer' put food with in the dogs reach then shouted and sreamed at the dog until it was terrified. All in the name of asserting his 'donimence'
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I saw this programme once and would never watch it again.
The episode I saw there was a Great Dane who took food left lying about so the 'trainer' put food with in the dogs reach then shouted and sreamed at the dog until it was terrified. All in the name of asserting his 'donimence'
Pathetic aint it
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Re: "Pin the dog 22 times a day."

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That is what Brad Pattison (At the end of my leash / In the dog house) recommended in an episode of his show for a fearful dog that reacted adversely to people and dogs. Brad, like in every case, traces back this to the dog trying to become alpha.

Will he ever meet a dog that isn't trying to take over the world?

He claims that by pinning the dog 22 times a day, you will establish yourself into the alpha position. And teach the dog... something? Helplessness is my guess.

Is this an approach you would recommend or practice?
Well it will definitely teach the dog something... the dog will learn that it was/is right to be fearful, and in order to avoid this human threat, it should bite!
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IMO, Vlad Pattison is an utter eejit, and rude in the extreme to the humans, too.

i think of him as Vlad the Tormentor... he would make a terrific comic-book villain.
the unfortunate thing is that the dude is not a paper character...
poor dogs! and poor PEOPLE, too - beastly, -imo-.


the picture i see when i hear PIN or PINNING...
when i read or hear the phrase, * pin the dog *, i always have an image of that old-fashioned thing...
where someone AWARDS U a pin, or a friend, relative, boss, ____ , pins one *on U*.
i would be HORRIFIED to see a dog with 22 small decorative pins studding them...
but OTOH, i would be happy to volunteer to = PIN = Vlad...
where would U like this one, Vlad?... how about here? ouch... no, maybe here... (slips it out)... yes, that looks better... Yowch!... he-he-he-he...
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Re: 'Pin dog 22 x/day' = perfect scrip for neurosis @ best; psychotic @ worst

Wow some people are just completely horrible. No matter what training technique he favours can't he see that it's just cruel? Ugh. Maybe we should all write him a letter.
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