I'm just wondering when anyone would get the time to pin a dog 22 times a day, especially as you might be waiting in A&E for four hours after the first attempt.

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re caroline -


i AGREE, caroline!

i have no idea what dank and gloomy dungeon, or fetid cesspool, or midnight hidden-grave was the source -
but these rotting mummified ideas are IMO in desperate need of immediate Re-Burial, and THIS time,
lets put a stake of holly thru the heart... just to be SURE...

i would recommend a deep burial in a stable geo-zone, a la mid-level radioactive waste -
a solid-stainless container, a larger concrete vessel, and pour concrete around the steel
inner-container before capping and burying it. then make the area off-limits to the public, with monitoring to be sure nothing enters or escapes!
its like some weird 1950s horror-movie, come back to life..
'Yaaaaa-a-a-a-ah... No, HELP... (falling shriek... silence)

less drama + more teaching = happy dogs + happier humans.
sane, safe, sound... i like it...

lets EXORCISE dog-training and Ex-ER-Cise our brains, eh? LOL...
--- terry

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*wolves R wolves, dogs R dogs, + primates R us.*
tmp, sept-2007

He is on one of the satalite chanels here in the UK sadly, that's how come I've seen one of the episodes.

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A dog Possesses Beauty without Vanity,Strength without Insolence, Courage without Ferocity, And all the Virtues of Man without his Vices.

Aw no! That is bad news for UK dogs then.

It seems that anyone who has the right contacts can become a tv dog trainer. They don't need to have any experience except their own opinions and certainly don't have to have any true empathy with animals.

Who/what is this Brad Pattison? Sounds like a right proper moron to me.

I've been critical of Millan but at least he seems to care about the welfare of the dogs.

Pattison otoh seems to be interested only in himself without regard to human or animal. He repeatedly puts dogs in danger. In one episode he flung the front doors open and then the external gate allowing dogs to run into a working road, in another case he nearly killed a little dog by using a walking harness to rappel him up a cliff - the dog fell in the river. He's taken dogs with no off leash control by the rushing river to make his point. He's destroyed property, vandalized walls and assaulted owners by throwing things at them.

He counsels driving your knees and walking into the dog to get them to respect you. He advocates what he calls 'facial corrections' which just means hitting the dog on the face. Hanging to get a dog to sit he claims teaches 'respect' and using reinforcement is a 'negotiation' and a 'bribe'

In one excellent example showing how lousy a trainer he is, he uses his dog. He says 'SIT' and the dog sits, he then says something like 'BANANA' and the dog sits. This was his demonstration of a "trained dog".

In reality this is a dog that has learned to sit to avoid being hanged and it shows ZERO stimulus control and no stimulus discrimination.

he sets himself up as not only a dog-trainer, but a Life-Coach... if U can believe it!
then he verbally abuses the person / people, whilst dragging, flooding, choking, etc, the dog...
including such sterling-silver examples of Total-Irresponsibility as to turn loose
a JRT with a long-term HABIT of running away, in the owners *yard*... which just
happens to border a completely trackless wilderness area of several 100k-square miles.
and on the other side of the yard... was the 2-lane road - more mundane, no less deadly.

Quote:

Vlad appearing as a recipient at the Anti-Genesis Awards: 'may i have the jaw-dropping Stoopid Prize, please...' thank U so much, Vanna - and what a lovely gown, ... 'it gives me dubious pleasure to recognize the considerable IMPACT, Vlad, that U have had on our mutual nominal calling...'

after all - Vlad has the POWER, doncha know - no mere dog would run-off on his watch!
oh, yeah?
H***, if >> I << was the dog, and Vlad was the handler...
baby, i would be cutting-in the afterburners, and going supersonic...
and i would NEVER come home to a human of MINE, who handed my leash to that creep!

he is a 24-carat clad, solid sand-cast sterling @#$%*!, in my personal + professional opinion.
grump grump grump... snarl...

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*wolves R wolves, dogs R dogs, + primates R us.*
tmp, sept-2007

yikesssss nice man....

i cuddle my dog about 22 times a day - would neve rpin her down - wtf would that achieve?

If I pinned any of mine down, they would wriggle and think I was playing!

Where brains are lacking, brute force & ignorance take over.