My little chap does that wee wees when you pick him up when people come in, when excited.
My vets just told me not to not make a big thing of it.
Rocco is 14 months and had a terrible life befor us and i think it has some thing todo with bad history of his past home.

re post #7 - rick


hey, rick! ;--)

to prevent the *emotions* of being chased + cornered (which are not happy emotions, but stressful and upsetting - and they trigger the involuntary leaks), i would suggest a drag on the pup...

an 8 to 10-ft long light line, with no knots or wrist-loop, allows U to catch the end of the cord without cornering or chasing her, pick it up, turn SIDE-on to the pup, squat, and call her toward U...

this way U appear a lot less scary, the body-language is not frontal + intimidating, but appealing + pulls her in, and she approaches on HER terms, building her confidence.

if U are simply taking her out to pee, U can just pick-up the cord, turn Ur back, cheerfully call her sacred Name, and start toward the door - she can just follow, no need to bring her over to U, till ** after! ** she pees outside, and then i would have a Small-But-Excellent! treat with me, to be delivered on the spot, just as soon as she rose from her squat, with lots of warm, low-pitched, quiet praise.

ESS, Cockers, some Welshies, and some Beagles all carry this submissive-pee trait as a heritable disorder; many outgrow it, some it is lifelong. belly-bands for Ms + panties with liners for Fs help a lot, avoiding the involuntary or deliberate expression of our own frustration when they dribble, which feeds into a loop (they leak, i sigh, they leak More, i groan, they leak AGAIN, i swear... it feeds on itself!)

i THINK that there is an inexpensive med that can address both post-spay urinary-leaks and nocturnal-urine leakage; i do not know if it is effective or helpful with chronic lifelong Stress-Induced submissive-urination.
but U can always ask the vet! :--)

hopefully Ur pup will outgrow this; cheers,
--- terry

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Thank you everyone for your help and suggestions. I'm trying to get my head around getting him to keep belly bands on - I will certainly give it a try. We did know that beagles are prone to it and we are always very careful not to show any aggression to him, but it doesn't help! He's had a crate since we brought him home at about 9 weeks and it was the first thing we introduced him to, so he's very happy and settled in there even with the door shut. I'll make sure we wear him out with training etc so he wants to sleep lots!

I think his is a hereditary trait as his sire does it still (my husband works with Hector's parents owner so we know this) and his mum is quite timid, although both may be due to their previous lives before being rescued. Hopefully it will reduce over time but I'm not really expecting it to stop altogether.

Thank you again - I will let you know how he gets on!

Tracey x

Hi everyone,

After you all took the time out to give me lots of advice I just thought I'd write to let you all know how Hector got on this week.

We noticed a few weeks ago that the weeing was happening less and less and we put it down to him getting more confident about himself and learning what he should be doing and how he should behave. So we upped the training a lot in the couple of weeks over Christmas when both my husband and I were at home together. He loves training (whoever said you can't train a Beagle lied!).

So Monday comes along and we have 3 strange lads turn up and they're in and out of the kitchen and the house, and loads of strange noises and smells etc. Tuesday and Wednesday come and go, and today with all the same stuff going on and another new face and smell.

NOT ONCE in all this did Hector wee!

We have now put away the mop and bucket hopefully permanently!

The only issue we had was him jumping up on them and getting very excited in the mornings. However we took him for slightly longer walks with intensive training and he's been too knackered to keep it up all day! It has been exhausting for him and he's flaked out every evening, like an exhausted child, but he's coped amazingly well. He's even been too tired to hump his vetbed round the kitchen which is what he usually does every evening!

Anyway, thank you all very much. We start new classes with him at the weekend and we're really hoping to bring him on even more.

Tracey

Hi

How lovely to get some feedback, very often people get what they want and you never know if things have worked out!!!

Sounds like it is all about confidence and doing lots of training, where he gets rewarded has boosted that confidence in himself.

Well done for keeping at it, things will only get better.

Kate

P.S. I think Beagles are very trainable, a bit eractic at times, but never had any problem with the training side - just immature!

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