he could have simply had a lot to drink and needed a second go, you should be able to read him a little; things like walking to and from the door, approching and running off, looking at you - anything thats not chewing or sleeping - take as them wating the loo.

>> Jess is an 18mth border collie and we have just had an horrendeous time with her she has started weeing and pooing again after being ok 4 months!!
she refuses to do her business on our long walks that we take... <<
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hey, andrea! :--)

has she ever been punished for any toilet-errors?
secondarily, has she been desexed yet, and has the vet checked for a UTI?

BCs tend to be activity-driven, but emotionally sensitive dogs - so looking at her with a hard-stare and muttering about filthy #$@! dogs can be a severe punishment to a BC. thus it is very-easy to convince them that an equation holds, where waste + person in the same area = punishment, or bad things ensue. behavior is driven by *consequences* -- so what happens immediately-after the dog does _____ is very important.

re intact-Fs, they are MUCH more prone than s-Fs to bladder + kidney problems, and any F is more likely to have a UTI than any M-dog.
i would make my 1st stop the vet - and if nothing were seen under the scope, i would ask for a urine-culture, which would show any lurking invisibles, hopefully.

re punishment -
scold, smack, stomping, any apparent anger, etc.
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punished-pups often become shy eliminators - meaning they refuse to toilet in the presence of ppl, which makes housetraining *Enormously!* difficult, as U then have no idea whether the pup (dog) did indeed actually VOID something, nor whether it was solid, liquid, normal, or how-much.
just putting the dog into the garden does not mean they will toilet reliably. they may spend the time chasing critters, digging, sniffing, or sitting by the door waiting to come back in... unless U are *there*, U can neither reward the right-time / right-place performance, NOR can U be certain the dog actually emptied.

without being absolutely sure that the pup/dog DID pee and/or stool, there is no way i would give them house-privs - avoiding the waste on the carpet or floor is better than cleaning it up, IMO.

with pups who are not yet housetrained, or ANY dog that i have not lived with before, i go out for every potty-trip with them on a leash - every time, at 3-AM with pups under 15 to 16-WO every night, with teen or adult dogs every time they go out to potty - whether they ASK or i decide it is about that time. having them right under my eye, makes being *sure* they are empty and can play in the house, relax on the rug, be crated while i go shopping, etc, a much-more assured segue.
and it makes Me a much-happier roomie re that k9, LOL...

also, as i am right-there, i can praise, reward, and THEN ---->
take them for a walk!! *** by walking them AFTER they potty at home, the pup or dog gets a real-life reward, in addition to the relief of an empty bladder or bowel, And praise and a treat! *** whats not to like, eh? that is quite a total package!

on walks, i do Not Allow marking, stooling or pee - unless we have been out for awhile and they really do NEED to void. otherwise, we wait till they get back on home-turf to potty. they are, however, allowed to take their own time on sniff-breaks, altho i am the one who decides when and where we stop - i will not be dragged from power-pole to stop-sign to shrub to mailbox, thanks very much, no. (firmly crosses arms but smiling).

by preventing marking, over-marking and stooling during walks, i can move us both briskly along, get some real exercise in vs meander along like a pair of snails, LOL, and stop for them to enjoy dog-time at really good spots. if the dog / pup attempts to mark, i just recall an urgent appt that i am late for, LOL, and hustle them along... no dog can leg-lift while walking on all 4s briskly, and the dribble-as-we-go version is a lot-less satisfactory to k9s.

(also vanishingly rare, and generally only a dog who really *does* need to pee, and/or a truly-committed long-time M-marker, will do that - weeing while walking. i have yet to have any F do that, ever - altho fellow-trainers have said that Fs with UTIs have done this, poor girls!, i have not had a F whose UTI was that inflamed or serious, i suppose.)

intact-Ms who mark off their own turf, are prone to getting big-headed + over-inflating their own egos and sense of superiority - if they toilet ONLY on their home-turf, it takes them down a peg in the status-ranking. this can help to prevent or reduce a whole slew of M-M aggro and posturing, IME. after all, M-dogs who mark EVERYwhere theoretically *own* all that turf, metaphorically speaking - which is nonsense. (shrug)

hope this is helpful - cheers,
--- terry

terry pride, APDT-Aus, apdt#1827, CVA, IPDTA, TDF

its a bit long to be fair, couldnt you just give a few pointers?

hey, james! :--)

what part would U like me to delete, LOL?
--- terry

Don't delete any - it is a very good post.

I see no indication that the OP lacks language or concentration skills. I imagine he/she will manage just fine.

Not see you around for a while. Have I missed something?