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Re: Help Required - Awful 1 y/o lab

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Sorry that made me laugh, it was like it was on cue
LOL told you!
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Re: Help Required - Awful 1 y/o lab

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Yes, you'll certainly get a reaction by saying you agree with everything he does. You do? Really? Even when he's pinning a dog down by its collar to the point of suffocation? When he's forcing a dog to do something it finds so stressful that it urinates in fright? When he dangles a dog by its collar? When dogs are showing, through every pore, that they are either terrified or have completely shut down (what Cesar would call "calm submission" )?

Yep, when I see any sort of animal abuse, I'll react.
Ah but what you see as abuse, I see as rehabilitation. Anyway, we've had this conversation too many times colliepoodle lol
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LOL told you!

Yeah I'd LOL too if I hadn't got the image of some of Cesars victims in my head...
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Yeah I'd LOL too if I hadn't got the image of some of Cesars victims in my head...
Once upon a time I would get drawn in to these conversations, now I know that it doesn't matter how much you try to explain something, people see things differently......
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Once upon a time I would get drawn in to these conversations, now I know that it doesn't matter how much you try to explain something, people see things differently......
Yes - some things are just indefensible.
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Yes - some things are just indefensible.
Does beg the question as to why such animal cruelty is allowed to be aired on TV? Especially when we have legislation protecting our animals against cruelty. Maybe it's his dazzling white teeth that have everyone convinced...... lol
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Does beg the question as to why such animal cruelty is allowed to be aired on TV? Especially when we have legislation protecting our animals against cruelty. Maybe it's his dazzling white teeth that have everyone convinced...... lol

Because TV producers know little, and probably care less, about what constitutes cruelty. What they care about is what is going to get viewers. And when 99% of those viewers are indeed dazzled by those white teeth and that charisma, in addition to knowing little about dog body language, then people like Cesar get away with it. Personally I'd rather watch a proper trainer/behaviourist at work - but most people want action and drama. A course of desensitisation, counter-conditioning and rehabilitation/training wouldn't appeal to most casual viewers. They want to see Cesar risk getting bitten. Understandable enough - I only watch the ice-skating in the hope of seeing someone fall over.

Remember, parents are often shown on Supernanny hitting their kids, pre-Supernanny. They don't get arrested for child cruelty either.
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Re: Help Required - Awful 1 y/o lab

Can i very nicely suggest you two take this to another time or place, it's not helping the OP
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Re: Help Required - Awful 1 y/o lab

Well, you know - if someone mentions someone's name in a post, hoping to get a reaction, and they get a reaction from that person, then they can't really complain
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Re: Help Required - Awful 1 y/o lab

There is some truly excellent advice in this thread and I would hope that for the sake of your dog's future you take the time to put it into practice.

Your young lab really doesn't sound any different to my own, but I quickly learned that his general behavior was entirely dependent on his energy level and the amount of stimulation he has had.

Labradors have masses of energy and so of course need plenty of exercise but you need to bear in mind that they are also extremely intelligent animals that need lots of mental stimulation too. Jasper tends to have a daily session with me as well as a shorter one with my son. When I take him out I try to keep it as varied as possible, one day he'll be rooting through the undergrowth in a forrest and the next day we will just be playing fetch on the field next to the house. In order for him to 'earn' these privileges though he has to work for them, if he wants to carry on running through the trees he has to demonstrate how good his recall is or if he wants the ball thrown for him again he has to walk close to me etc. Training in itself can be a great reward.

This is a great way of training because it uses his most favorite things (apart from food!) as positive reinforcement for responding to his given commands. The only thing he loves more than play is attention, which includes just being close to me and so this is the only negative training tool that I use. By that I mean I withdraw that attention when he is not doing what he is told, or is doing something he shouldn't be. If he won't give up the ball for me to throw then I walk away, I stop the game. If he wants to be close and have a cuddle then he knows not to lick my face because as soon as he does, the cuddle is over.

Give your dog constructive exercise, give him a job to do and something to think about and I am sure you will soon start to get along just fine.
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