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Old 21-09-2009, 05:08 PM
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Re: Help Required - Awful 1 y/o lab

I will give you another perspective......

Your dog behaves this way because he doesn't respect you. The person who said "dogs don't respect" is wrong. All animals know how to show respect.

Getting respect must come from you. When your dog does not see you as the "boss" you will get problems.

Walking through door ways, eating first etc etc are fine, but being the "boss" comes from within you. You can do all the "alpha" behaviours which people advise, but the bottom line is if you are not projecting the right energy, all day and everyday, then you will not suceed, no matter how many door ways you walk through first.

You have been given some great advice from a "training" perspective. This is one way of "training" your dog to behave. However, if you are interested in finding out more, check out my profile page and PM me if you want any further info.

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Re: Help Required - Awful 1 y/o lab

I do feel though we must not "over analize" exhuberant puppy play and more good solid basic training and a bit less "alpha role phsycholgy" is the key.

With good solid basics comes connection to your dog, mutual respect and an understanding that you are there to protect and guide them
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Re: Help Required - Awful 1 y/o lab

clicker training works well for labs. iv seen labs at 14/15 years of age pick it up in 5 mins, it will give him something to think about (making him quieter) and help you grow closer to your dog, you can also teach some really great tricks. I have friends whos dogs can fetch cans of beer out the fridge on command. lol.

To be honest he sounds like a typical lab to me. labs are thought of as being quite calm and well behaved but actually most of them are complete nutters. mental stimulation and training you dog to be calm, ie rewarding it for lying down out the way or accepting gentle fuss etc. are probably the best bets, if your dog gets rewarded for being calm hes more likely to do it, when he plays up ignore him completly, dont speak to him or talk to him.

you need to make sure everyone sticks to the routine and keep doing it until he gets it, labs are smart, it shouldnt take too long.
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Re: Help Required - Awful 1 y/o lab

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I will give you another perspective......

Your dog behaves this way because he doesn't respect you. The person who said "dogs don't respect" is wrong. All animals know how to show respect.

Getting respect must come from you. When your dog does not see you as the "boss" you will get problems.

Walking through door ways, eating first etc etc are fine, but being the "boss" comes from within you. You can do all the "alpha" behaviours which people advise, but the bottom line is if you are not projecting the right energy, all day and everyday, then you will not suceed, no matter how many door ways you walk through first.

You have been given some great advice from a "training" perspective. This is one way of "training" your dog to behave. However, if you are interested in finding out more, check out my profile page and PM me if you want any further info.

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Re: Help Required - Awful 1 y/o lab

My only advice is keep trying to stay positive and 'light' around your pup. I'm still on the learning curve with our lab puppy but I have realised that when I get more and more frustrated with him he seems to act up even more.

If I change my tone and get him involved in a game he really responds well.

I know its not easy though. I've given Rohan a new chew while I was doing a bit of work online this morning and went to check only to discover the chew barely touched and a big chunk out of the skirting board. I took him outside, he didn't go but then wee'd twice in the house, followed by a nice five minutes of bouncing off every bit of furniture with a fridge magnet in his mouth. Trying to get me to chase him.

Rather than loosing my temper I coaxed him to me with a toy to get the magnet back and spent ten minutes doing a bit of basic training as he seems to enjoy it, he's now asleep on my feet as I type.

There are times when he has me tearing my hair out but that's puppies and why we love them!
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Re: Help Required - Awful 1 y/o lab

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I do feel though we must not "over analize" exhuberant puppy play and more good solid basic training and a bit less "alpha role phsycholgy" is the key.

With good solid basics comes connection to your dog, mutual respect and an understanding that you are there to protect and guide them
Agree, but I think far too often people do not instill enough discipline in their dogs. I think as a nation we are useless at it. We give far too much fuss and a lack leadership, and this causes problems.

If a dog is way too excitable, in my opinion, it is either not being physically and mentally stimulated or it does not have enough respect for the handler.

As you know rainy, alpha and leadership, to me go hand in hand x
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Agree, but I think far too often people do not instill enough discipline in their dogs. I think as a nation we are useless at it. We give far too much fuss and a lack leadership, and this causes problems.

If a dog is way too excitable, in my opinion, it is either not being physically and mentally stimulated or it does not have enough respect for the handler.

As you know rainy, alpha and leadership, to me go hand in hand x


It's just the terms of phrase i suppose isn't it.

Decent basic commands are the foundation of everything IMO and you have to reinforce them again and again, every day with a puppy and by doing that you are showing Leadership

I often find if Oscar is being a pain in the neck i can get him in a sit which is his most solid command, then i can do something with him again.

I agree about discipline too
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It's just the terms of phrase i suppose isn't it.

Decent basic commands are the foundation of everything IMO and you have to reinforce them again and again, every day with a puppy and by doing that you are showing Leadership

I often find if Oscar is being a pain in the neck i can get him in a sit which is his most solid command, then i can do something with him again.

I agree about discipline too
I think the trouble with me is I say it in quite harsh terms. It is why I get a lot of people opposing me! lol They do actually agree with what I say, but because I dare to use the dominance word, I get dragged across the coals!

I am actually much better, because I use far less Cesar speak. Although I still agree with everything he does.

Only time I use "cesar speak" is when I want to get a reaction, usually I get this from colliepoodle! lol
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I think the trouble with me is I say it in quite harsh terms. It is why I get a lot of people opposing me! lol They do actually agree with what I say, but because I dare to use the dominance word, I get dragged across the coals!

I am actually much better, because I use far less Cesar speak. Although I still agree with everything he does.

Only time I use "cesar speak" is when I want to get a reaction, usually I get this from colliepoodle! lol
Yes, you'll certainly get a reaction by saying you agree with everything he does. You do? Really? Even when he's pinning a dog down by its collar to the point of suffocation? When he's forcing a dog to do something it finds so stressful that it urinates in fright? When he dangles a dog by its collar? When dogs are showing, through every pore, that they are either terrified or have completely shut down (what Cesar would call "calm submission" )?

Yep, when I see any sort of animal abuse, I'll react.
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Sorry that made me laugh, it was like it was on cue
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