i also use a crate,,,he thinks of it as his own personal den and mine has never marked in it,,,

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Keep Dreaming Smudge! HAHAHA

I actually mentioned the crate too as an alternative to not having him on a lead in his bed . And as far as using these methods they are only sudgestions as ive said before they dont suit some people because they cant keep it up ,
Can i just say up untill a week ago we still had issues with both Daisy and jessie pulling on the lead and on occasion wondering off in the park never too far but still they would do it and we would call them a dozen times and they would come but when they were ready . In the last week all ive changed is not greeting them in the morning they get eye contact they get let out to the loo they come in and they get thier breakfast . then i give them a big fuss . When i leave the room they are in and return again i dont acknowledge them they are content on thier bed or free to mooch about as they please , but now when i call them they come not in thier own time but when i call them. and now they dont pull either they are happy to walk to heal (or as close as dam it ) tell me what i did this last week that was so crule or out dated my girls are happy not afraid, outgoing and mostly well behaved , I have only had to this for a week and all the arm renching and shouting in the park has gone so am i so wrong ???????? with very little effort at all . i just stopped looking at them when i walked in and out of a room WOW . And as for the standing still that also works better to stand still than to tug or shout at them to heal ,I sood still Yes stood still thats all ...........
and as for eating before them what so i ate a cracker before i put thier food down, i didnt leave them druling for an hour before i gave it to them . What did i do or have i sudgested that was cruel !!!! i hav,nt said lock him in the garden or keep him teid up all day I have given some tips that are known to work not all of them would need to be implimented simple things have a big effect . Sorry AJ but not everyone has to think the same and instead of saying thats so cruel or your tips are crap basicly, why not just put your tips or help as an alternative so that the lady can descide for herself what to try without being negative towards somebodys own thoughts .

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What's wrong with training dogs positively?

I just don't understand why anyone would want to resort to these methods, apart from as a last resort!?!

I don't see what andrea has said as being cruel, simply not to pander to your dog at all times. From what i understand about the methods she has talked about, the idea is to praise good behaviour, and quietly stop/ignore bad behaviour.

This is the case exactly you never praise your dog for jumping up at you and knocking you over , or barking constantly when visitors arive if these behaviours are ignored it speaks volumes to a dog by saying nothing at all . they thrive on your reactions looking to you for guidance and its using a simple means of communtcation that they understand far quicker than voice commands . And yes always praise big time when they either change a bad behaviour or learn something new , no dog training will work negatively unless using bully boy tacticks and thats not what im about ,this works by using the dogs basic understanding of communication . We have all posted about possitive behaviour reinforcement and ignoring the bad well its all the same that ive been mentioning , you dont need to over complicate things its simple basic and harmless .

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Sorry Andrea I think I have misread most of your original post!

It was this bit that got me going but I think I may have read it out of context.

Obviously I have taken it the wrong because of the train of thought the ideas come from originally so.... sorry!

I agree to associate a good behaviour with possitive response is the key and i have said before that somtimes you have to think outside of the box to get where these methods may work , and as far as being a last resort , the lady had said she had tried everything and was open to sudgestion and help !!
You sudgested the crate the same as i did but that only removes the dog from being able to carry out the behaviour. its the behaviour that needs dealing with too, or is she to keep him locked up 24/7 as i saw it she was saying this was a desperate plea to help, the dog is 9 and has always done it .

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Thanks for your replies.

I use positive training on him. When he is being good he gets lots of pats and attention. When he is being bad he gets ignored or put outside (depending on what he is doing)

I am very determined to get this marking issue resolved. I have had him since a puppy (i was 16 years old) - While he lived at my parents house, he was TOTAL top dog with both my parents! He marked ALLLLL over their house and furniture, beds, they even had a wall where his urine peeled off the paint - all this for almost 7 years with little discipline.

Even now when she comes to visit, and Spunky jumps all over her, she bends down and pats him saying in a sweet voice "good boy, calm down, good boy...stop jumping" - That is her way of discipling him. Grrr it's is sooooo frustrating as she doesn't get that what she is doing is encouraging the bad behavior. Anyway, he was basically spoilt rotten for the first 7 years of life, until my mum couldn't handle his marking problem any more.

My husband and I have finally bought our selves a brand new house with secure fences and mum said it's time for me to have my dog, or she will give him away to someone else - I love Spunky, he is basically completely under control (with the other spoilt issues he had) , and I am more than happy to have Spunky in our lives, I just don't want him marking in our house!

He almost has this whole estate to himself - there are only a few dogs in this area and there is nothing that he seems to feel threatened about.

I have used a bit of Andrea's method, and a bit of Ajshep1984's method.

He has his bed which is his safe zone, he spends a lot of time there (un leashed). Before i started leashing him to his bed at night, he would mark all over the family room, on the sofa, on the kids toys, on the carpet, on the table legs etc etc. Leashing him at night has stopped the night marking all together - he will NOT wee on his bed.

I have bought him a Large kennel for him to have outside when we go out - It's coming into winter here, and I don't want him to get cold and wet.

I feed him after we have eaten, and I don't let him sit on our furniture, jump on us, lick us etc.

He is not top dog in this house (thats my hubby and I), but I think he is not BOTTOM dog either, which maybe makes him think it's ok to mark my sons bed, and the kids play area in the family room etc.

My kids are 2 and 4 years old. Is there something that can be done to give them a higher doggy ranking????

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hi i have 3 bitches and someone told me to put cider vinegar in their drinking water to stop the grass in the garden dying off when they wee

Hi I am a new member my puppy is 12 weeks old and has done two wees on his bed today. The second time straight after i gave him back the cushion after washing it. I feel he is too young to be marking any suggestions please.