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Old 07-08-2009, 01:07 PM
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Re: Toilet/Crate training at night

Glad you had a good night last night, it is a matter of finding what suits both you and the dog best and they are all different the same as we are all different.
It does make it a little more difficult trying to housetrain if your dog is kept upstairs but I am sure you will get round that eventually.
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Re: Toilet/Crate training at night

Yep I think it is making it more difficult taking her upstairs, especially since its more of a trek to the garden! Pet friendly alarm sensors sound good - wish we had those! Am sure we'll get there eventually though with some patience
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Old 09-08-2009, 02:18 PM
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We have had Suki for 4 days now and are in need of some advice! She's a 10 week old westie pup and we're having problems at night. During the day she is downstairs I'm taking her out every hour or so - she seems to be getting the hang of going to the toilet outside already and we only had one wee in the house yesterday when I took my eyes off her for 2 minutes!

The problem is at night. For the first few nights we had her bed in our room upstairs (the downstairs is alarmed at night) but she found it really hard to settle and kept trying to get up on our bed. We ignored her but didn't get much sleep! She also weed and pooed upstairs during the night.

I spoke to a friend who has a dog and she recommended crate training so she has her own little den and learns that this is her safe place to sleep. So yesterday we got her used to her crate, making it cosy with a blanket over and putting toys/food in there. She was going in there on her own accord during the day and seemed pretty happy. I knew it was going to be a hard night for her with the change but it was a nightmare!

We moved her crate upstairs into the room next to ours (we don't really want to encourage her to sleep in our room so thought we'd get her used to the other room asap) but she cried for hours. I went in at about 2am (still crying) and she had pooed in her bed so I got her out and cleaned up and she went back in again. Then she carried on crying for about an hour - so hard not to go to her but we didn't. I got up at 7am and she had pooed again and had some diarrhea this morning poor little thing.

I took her straight out this morning and she pooed outside, although still runny.

I feel absolutely awful about leaving her crying last night and her being so upset

Should I get up in the night to let her out to the toilet, even if she is still crying? I don't want to teach her that crying will mean she gets let out and attention. But then I know she's only a puppy and can't hold her bladder for that long.

Any advice appreciated x
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You are doing the right thing by crate training, and it's normal for her to cry and whine when left alone, until she's settled in with her new family and new routine. But you are quite right, you shouldn't go to her when she's whining/crying, wait for a quiet moment (this only needs to be 5 secs), then go to her, but only if you think it's because she needs to eliminate.

Do you have a daily routine going, this would be really helpful, so write up a schedule for
  • feed time
  • toilet time
  • play/training time
  • crate time (she should go in during the day for a few hours here and there to rest/sleep, or when you can't supervise; so that she can't practice undesired behaviours, build up time gradually)
  • socialisation time
  • handling time (where you practice grooming her, cleaning ears etc)

Getting her in to a routine will really help with toileting and settling her in, make her environment fairly predictable

Some pups need to be given the opportunity to eliminate at least once during the night, so make sure she has eliminated last thing before you put her to bed. Then don't wait for her to wake you, you go wake her up half way though sleep time, take her outside, no play, no fuss. When she eliminates give her calm, quiet praise, and then straight back to bed.

I think you will also find this helpful:

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Old 10-08-2009, 11:07 AM
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Re: Toilet/Crate training at night

Great advice many thanks, and the crate training article is also very detailed and useful.

Suki is doing really well, she is sleeping in her crate at night no problem (with door open still at the moment) and we've now moved it to the opposite side of our room near the door. Hoping to move it into the room next to ours in the next few nights so she's not sleeping in our room at all.

We are getting up at about 5.30am to let her out to the toilet which is also working.

I'm now going to start training her to let us close the door to the crate. Going to start off with short periods as the article says and try to build it up. I'm also leaving food and treats in there and training her to go in there when I say 'bed'. Fingers crossed this method works.

Can I just say to anyone reading this article that many people (including the vet) told us to put her in the crate and leave her all night. This has NOT worked for us and just made her be scared of her crate - something we're now working to rectify. Depending on your dog you'll need to alter what you do to suit them - I guess some dogs take to it quicker than others.
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Can I just say to anyone reading this article that many people (including the vet) told us to put her in the crate and leave her all night. This has NOT worked for us and just made her be scared of her crate - something we're now working to rectify. Depending on your dog you'll need to alter what you do to suit them - I guess some dogs take to it quicker than others.

Well done to both you and your dog. I am so pleased to hear that it is working for you slow but sure, you are a caring and very patient dog owner and I am sure you will get there very soon.
I totally agree all dogs are different and need different training. My dog was used to being in a crate from a puppy with her siblings and this helped tremendously.
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Re: Toilet/Crate training at night

What I would suggest you is to get your dog trained. The best way to train your dog is to train it at your home. I know of one such trainer who trains your dog right at your home. They are Better Dogs. They specialize in Gwinnett County dog taining and many such services.You can visit their website for more details. I am sure they will be of great help. Kudos!
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Good news, Suki slept in her crate in the other room last night!

A bit of whining and complaining at first but my definate 'bed' commands seemed to work and in the end she got the message and went to bed. Hooray!

Message to others - be patient and you'll get there! It's only taken a week and we've achieved our goal of her not sleeping in our room with the minimum or upset and fuss.

Now just need to crack the toilet training which is still quite hit and miss! Yesterday she was going to the back door to be let out for a wee - thought I'd nearly cracked it! However, think I spoke too soon as today she seems to think under the kitchen table is the place to go! Ah well, will just keep trying
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