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Old 26-07-2009, 07:13 AM
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I need help with my border terriers

I have 2 border pups, Fudge is 11 months old, he is a sweet heart, he has such a nice nature. Holly is 9 months old and she is gorgeous but a total madam, lol!

We have a utility room, quite large that we have their large crate in and we leave their food and water in there and the back door is open when we are at home for them to roam in and out of the house as they please. They sleep in the utility room.

I just feel terribly guilty because they are not house dogs as such. We can't let them walk around the house, they are hypo if anyone comes to visit, they jump around them like nutters and it takes about 10 minutes before they chill out and just sit down. They are the same when it is just us in the house, they just seem too lively to have them around the house if you see what I mean.

I took them to puppy training a few times but the woman doing it drove me mad to be honest and totally ripped me off so I never went back.

The dogs don't bite and are good with the kids but they are always jumping up on us (Holly mainly), they bark as soon as one of the neighbours are in their garden or if people walk past the gate, so we have to bring them in.

They are just very happy lively dogs, not naughty but am I doing something wrong? they sit when we give them treats, they do obey us like that but if you asked them to stay somewhere for example they wouldn't they would just follow us

How strict do you need to be? does it sound like we need to do more or do they sound just like normal borders?lol! Do you have your dogs in the house walking around or do many of you do what I do?

We have a shihtzu and she just walks around the house but in time is going to have her crate in the utility with the othe 2 dogs. They all get on fine, but I think the borders will get annoyed if we are letting Nessa walk around the house and them just having the utility room and garden.

We do have a mad house but we love it, 3 young children aswell

Any advice appreciated
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Old 26-07-2009, 07:24 AM
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Re: I need help with my border terriers

Well if they are not allowed in the house then they are going to get over excited when they are allowed in, it's like taking then out for a walk to them, just so exciting because it's different.
How do you expect to teach them manners around the house if they are only allowed in occassionally?
They are still quite young and they are terriers, so it will take time and patience but you will probably not succeed unless you give them time to calm down in the house.
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Old 26-07-2009, 07:45 AM
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Re: I need help with my border terriers

Did you have a good reason for getting a third puppy when you have two that are not out of puppyhood. My dogs sleep in the utility room, stay in there if I am out and have the run of the downstairs if I am in. Having two pups even with 2 months between them is going to be very hard and now you have introduced a third one life could get very difficult. And with 3 young children it is going to be even harder to spend the time needed with each pup. If you dont want your borders in the house then they will accept that, but why exactly do you want them if you dont want them with you and probably dont have time to train them. You dont say how often you take them for walks, do seperate training with them etc. They need at least two half hour walks a day, and that is walks, not meandering around with 3 children in tow. I would imagine they are bored and confused with their place in your life.
I am a little confused as to whether you let them in the house all the time you are there or just for the odd few minutes. It sounds like they are desperate for attention but they still need to learn to calm down. Dont fuss them till they sit, just turn your back and ignore them if they are jumping up and being silly. And until you have got them a little better mannered leave them in the utility room when you have visitors then gradually introduce them to people you know well that wont be annoyed if they get over excited.
What was wrong with the dog training class you went to. I would go back or find another one that suits you better and just take one dog with you and concentrate on one at a time. It isnt fair on everyone else if you take 2 over excited dogs to class that are winding each other up.
You have 3 pups, be prepared that they will take up a very great deal of your day and if you dont have the time I would seriously suggest you rehome one or two of them before they become too set in their ways.
Sorry if this sounds hard, but purely judgining it by what you have posted it sounds like you have taken on a bit too much.
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Old 26-07-2009, 07:52 AM
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Re: I need help with my border terriers

HI,

I am there with my dogs as is my husband when he isn't in work and we have a large house so we do have the room for them.

We take our borders out twice a day for walks, or should I say hubby does We don't look them away in the utility all day long! and it isn't like we don't want them around us!!!!!

We do have a busy life and yes we may have taken abit much on but we love our family and do our best by all of them, the dogs included.

I was just wondering how to change things abit and whether people had their dogs outside or in, personally I would not want my dogs to live outside.

Our dogs are very happy and healthy, we take great care of them. They are not wild or nasty towards anyone, just very excitable.

The puppies were not mad at training at all, the trainer one day said she thought they had kennel cough and asked us to leave (they didn't as I took them to our vet) and she then never let us back and took our money. Enough said
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Old 26-07-2009, 08:03 AM
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Re: I need help with my border terriers

To be honest I dont quite get what you mean when you say you dogs are too lively to be around the house? What exactly do they do that worry you or make them unsuitable to being in the house with you? do they knock things/people over? do they mess the place?

To answer your question as to whether I would have my dog outside ; No, being a pet dog, my dog is very much part of my family and he is in the house with us, he does not have a room of his own apart from us, he has the house just like us.

If they are very excitable it could be because
- they are young they are still puppies! and they are not used to being in the house much.
- they may not get enough mental and physical stimulation - maybe they need longer walks to be more chilled in the house or even better more mental stimulation (training etc)
I would also suggest you consider walking them as well; lead walking is a big part of the bond you build with your dog, it allows the dog to see you as the leader and generally helps in your relationship (in my opinion at least) so if you can take them all for a small walk at least they could help also!

Good luck

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Re: I need help with my border terriers

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HI,

I am there with my dogs as is my husband when he isn't in work and we have a large house so we do have the room for them.

We take our borders out twice a day for walks, or should I say hubby does We don't look them away in the utility all day long! and it isn't like we don't want them around us!!!!!

We do have a busy life and yes we may have taken abit much on but we love our family and do our best by all of them, the dogs included.

I was just wondering how to change things abit and whether people had their dogs outside or in, personally I would not want my dogs to live outside.

Our dogs are very happy and healthy, we take great care of them. They are not wild or nasty towards anyone, just very excitable.

The puppies were not mad at training at all, the trainer one day said she thought they had kennel cough and asked us to leave (they didn't as I took them to our vet) and she then never let us back and took our money. Enough said
Don't worry they do calm down with age, i used to pop mine outside if they got too excited, And let them back in and they start again back out the soon get the idea Hope this help's abit
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Re: I need help with my border terriers

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HI,

I am there with my dogs as is my husband when he isn't in work and we have a large house so we do have the room for them.

We take our borders out twice a day for walks, or should I say hubby does We don't look them away in the utility all day long! and it isn't like we don't want them around us!!!!!

We do have a busy life and yes we may have taken abit much on but we love our family and do our best by all of them, the dogs included.

I was just wondering how to change things abit and whether people had their dogs outside or in, personally I would not want my dogs to live outside.

Our dogs are very happy and healthy, we take great care of them. They are not wild or nasty towards anyone, just very excitable.

The puppies were not mad at training at all, the trainer one day said she thought they had kennel cough and asked us to leave (they didn't as I took them to our vet) and she then never let us back and took our money. Enough said
Hi ,we breed the occasional litter of labradors and because my husband and i bi=oth wanted to keep a pup at the time(working gundogs) we kept two from same litter.They are kennelled now but up to six months were indoors for maximum socialization and the only way to teach them manners in the house is to have one in at a time otherwise they just 'pack up' and their ears fall off!!
You just will not get through to two pups together,maybe let one in at a time until they learn some manners,and the age they are at is probably them at their worst ,they will calm down.Good luck x
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Old 26-07-2009, 09:24 AM
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Re: I need help with my border terriers

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To be honest I dont quite get what you mean when you say you dogs are too lively to be around the house? What exactly do they do that worry you or make them unsuitable to being in the house with you? do they knock things/people over? do they mess the place?

To answer your question as to whether I would have my dog outside ; No, being a pet dog, my dog is very much part of my family and he is in the house with us, he does not have a room of his own apart from us, he has the house just like us.

If they are very excitable it could be because
- they are young they are still puppies! and they are not used to being in the house much.
- they may not get enough mental and physical stimulation - maybe they need longer walks to be more chilled in the house or even better more mental stimulation (training etc)
I would also suggest you consider walking them as well; lead walking is a big part of the bond you build with your dog, it allows the dog to see you as the leader and generally helps in your relationship (in my opinion at least) so if you can take them all for a small walk at least they could help also!

Good luck

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Old 26-07-2009, 10:46 AM
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Re: I need help with my border terriers

Nobody else has mentioned it,So I thought I would ask what are they been fed ?
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Old 26-07-2009, 11:36 AM
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Re: I need help with my border terriers

Find another trainer and take one pup at a time.

TBH you've got your work cut out - even most experienced trainers wouldn't have dogs any less than 18 months apart, age-wise.

They sound totally normal.
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