Sophia Yin on the Dominance Controversy... - Page 3

flufffluff39 · #21 (**permalink**) 02-08-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitz

But I hate harnesses, I have never seen a dog walk properly in one and they are being restricted as they move and having immense pressure put over their lungs and heart. A correctly used check chain does not EVER choke the dog and is certainly kinder on it than a harness. Barbara Woodhouse's choke chains were horrible though, the links were such that it couldnt check and release so took away the whole point of them. Her ridiculous hand signals and one method solves all are I suppose rather similar to CM but nowhere near as violent. The one good thing she did was to bring dog training classes to the attention of the pet owners so that dogs did start to get trained. I remember taking a rowdy dog off an owner and sitting it at my feet while I was doing an induction to new class. The owner was gobsmacked and said he thought it was only Barbara Woodhouse that could get that result.

Each to their own but I need to use harnesses with my dogs as they have floppy palates. A pug breeder told me she only uses harnesses to because they do cough and choke and get problems very easily with collars. I agree with the comment you made of the choker chain though as when my mum and dad first got them for a cross springer pointer we always had to release it by hand as it would stick on choke!!! Thanks and have a nice week.

dimkaz · #22 (**permalink**) 02-08-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dogpositivetraining

Hi all,

Before you read this very informative article, please be aware that my reason for posting it is purely to share interesting information with those who are keen to know more, and learn about dogs.

I am not posting it to begin a debate. My intention is to share information.

Take the time to read through and view the ALL the videos, some great stuff here, and lots of other links for those who want to dig deeper.

Sophia Yin on the Dominance Controversy

hi all, if you are interested in this topic and would like to understand the science behind behaviours, i suggest you have a look at the following book and the life time work of this great professor of ethology, who has studied, researched, published and thought, together with his brilliant team of researchers since the 50s on the behaviour and communication between humans and dogs. the book is called "if dogs could talk" edited by north point press (translated into English in 2005). he is the author of over 300 scientific publications that have been published in veterinary, zoology and behaviour journal (peer reviewed by other scientists)...with a pedigree like that, i suppose his work is worth knowing!!!

i know i'm a bit old fashion with all the internet, streaming videos, tv programmes and dvds that are now available i still prefer books and hard researched science...but as a scientist myself, i really cannot trust what's out there published by (at best) well meaning people without the rigour of proper, structured studies in publicly sponsored research facilities and checked for consistency of methods, analysis and results obtained by other scientists prior to be released to the community...
well, it's boring, i know, i have also been told that i should "get a life"...but some of you might have a particular interest, tons of patience and greed for knowledge...if so, please have a look!

cheers

Thorne · #23 (**permalink**) 03-08-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by flufffluff39

What about victoria stillwell ??? She told a family to have a dog put down and they filmed the family in bits when they actually had it done?? I know barbara woodhouse was strict but come on victoria is just a dominatrix disguised as a dog behavourist they even dress her like one??? Not good.

Ah, i remember that one. I believe that the Cocker Spaniel mauled the toddler in the family and had bitten previously.
Under the circumstances i think it was probably for the best - you can't risk that happening again with such a young child about.

I really didn't like how they felt they had to show the family afterwards though. That wasn't necessary and must have been agonising for them

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