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Old 11-06-2009, 10:33 AM
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Re: Additional Disciplining / Training techniques required

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See this is a case of my 'rescue' head ruling over my heart. Yes in a soft kind world all dogs live in lovely homes and none die because of it. BUT in the real world dogs die every single day and not just in countries that don't care for animals, some so called undeveloped countries have better animal welfare than the UK! They certainly have more respect! And in years gone by I would have agreed that any home is better than the animal being PTS or living on the streets but I'm afraid after seeing the bloody mess that some people subject their so called beloved pets too, I'm no longer of that thinking. All be it well meaning some people just should not be getting a puppy because they want one, that is selfish and unthinking.

Some animals are better off being PTS if the only home offered is one that will cause them a life time of distress. And I'm not saying this is what will happen to the OP's dog but it's an example of how people think they are doing the right thing but actually not. IF the OP had come to my door asking for a puppy he wouldn't have got one, he would though have been given the choice of many beautiful, sweet and gentle older dogs who would happily slept in his house all day (and wouldn't have to be in cage to protect itself from eating the furniture), a dog that would be content with living on 1 walk a day, a dog who didn't crave company attention and training. I myself have 5 dogs at home that are perfectly happy with the lifestyle I offer them, and I most certainly would not offer a home to a puppy even though I'm experienced and more than capable of giving any dog a good home.

I might be hard and I might not sugar coat things but the hard reality is dogs are dying and suffering because of the selfish, I want attitude of people.
I totally agree that in the OP's situation, an older dog would probably have been the better and kinder option.

Years ago, when I didn't know any better, I got a Lurcher puppy. I was out at work all day but I wanted a puppy. Bad me - I'd never do it now, if I still worked. It was the days before crating, so he had the run of the kitchen and used newspaper to go to the loo, so he didn't have to hold on until he was able to do so of his own accord.

However, the time I did spend with him was what I'd call quality time; he had a good run before work and as I worked 6am - 2pm, we had loads of time after work. I did loads of training, went to puppy classes, then later on Competitive Obedience classes and a few shows here and there. He came to the yard with me when I did my horse - in fact he came everywhere with me, even if I was just popping out to get petrol. Even though he was a pup, being a typically "couch potato" Lurcher he only really had two settings - flat out and asleep lol!

He was very well trained, well adjusted and socialised and, especially when he was older, he'd have been MORE than happy with a working home where he could snooze all day. His Lurcher sensitivity would have meant he'd have hated kennels.
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Old 11-06-2009, 10:54 AM
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Re: Additional Disciplining / Training techniques required

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The OP has had this dog for about 1 week, in an earlier thread you told him that the routine he was using was a good one and that the dog was very lucky.
What has changed your mind, I really can't see what the OP has done to make you react like this confused:
The dog has already visited the vet because the OP was worried about it's front leg, the girlfriend is picking up necessary bits and bobs on a visit to the UK and the OP has asked questions, that to my mind reflects the commitment to the dog?
Yes maybe a puppy wasn't the best idea, but I really don't think in this instance that this dog is going to suffer greatly.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:06 AM
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Re: Additional Disciplining / Training techniques required

In the original thread he didn't state the dog was being caged for hours on end, or that it was being left unattended for long periods. Full of excuses about why it can't be walked, why it's locked in a cage. It infurates me when people ask for help with issues that easily could be avoided, then try to justify their actions by trying to pull on heart strings. Oh look poor puppy locked in a kennel, mummy was shot and cruel nasty men tried to hurt puppy. Sorry but it doesn't wash, if someone wanted to help a dog that much they'd adopt the right dog for their situation and not just go for the cute puppy.

Bottom line is the OP has made a mistake and its the puppy that is paying for it...again.

I've had enough of explaining myself, I'm used to standing alone against the apathy and don't rock the boats and I will never stop speaking up for the voiceless. Call me wrong cos I really don't care, my sympathies always will be on the side of the animal.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:11 AM
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Re: Additional Disciplining / Training techniques required

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In the original thread he didn't state the dog was being caged for hours on end, or that it was being left unattended for long periods. Full of excuses about why it can't be walked, why it's locked in a cage. It infurates me when people ask for help with issues that easily could be avoided, then try to justify their actions by trying to pull on heart strings. Oh look poor puppy locked in a kennel, mummy was shot and cruel nasty men tried to hurt puppy. Sorry but it doesn't wash, if someone wanted to help a dog that much they'd adopt the right dog for their situation and not just go for the cute puppy.

Bottom line is the OP has made a mistake and its the puppy that is paying for it...again.

I've had enough of explaining myself, I'm used to standing alone against the apathy and don't rock the boats and I will never stop speaking up for the voiceless. Call me wrong cos I really don't care, my sympathies always will be on the side of the animal.
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Re: Additional Disciplining / Training techniques required

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In the original thread he didn't state the dog was being caged for hours on end, or that it was being left unattended for long periods. Full of excuses about why it can't be walked, why it's locked in a cage. It infurates me when people ask for help with issues that easily could be avoided, then try to justify their actions by trying to pull on heart strings. Oh look poor puppy locked in a kennel, mummy was shot and cruel nasty men tried to hurt puppy. Sorry but it doesn't wash, if someone wanted to help a dog that much they'd adopt the right dog for their situation and not just go for the cute puppy.

Bottom line is the OP has made a mistake and its the puppy that is paying for it...again.

I've had enough of explaining myself, I'm used to standing alone against the apathy and don't rock the boats and I will never stop speaking up for the voiceless. Call me wrong cos I really don't care, my sympathies always will be on the side of the animal.
thank god for people like you at least you call a spade a spade. I have to say your on my list of people that have helped me alot.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:53 AM
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Re: Additional Disciplining / Training techniques required

JSR on the one hand you are accusing me of not being able to let things go and yet here we are another 3 or 4 posts later and you are still going.

I am pretty sick of my words being taken out of context and used against me, I cite your latest post where I am accused of attempting to pull on peoples heart strings when simply trying to inform people of an environment they are not familiar with.

It comes down to this:

You think I am a bad owner and shouldn’t be looking after a puppy.

I think I am providing an excellent home for a puppy that may otherwise have led a pretty rubbish if not terrible life.

Those are the facts, move on.
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