Misty does. if you look in my album the table she's on is the one she ate. it's in the garden know she lay's on it then goes under it for shade

Ohhh I shall go have a look

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Regardless of my opinion on certain dog trainers' methods (particularly the ones with very very white teeth and a fondness for, shall we say FIRMER methods), I think that making the viewer feel inadequate is another fault with these programmes - even the ones which involve kind training methods.

They often don't stress enough that things take time. Remember the programme is edited to fit a half-hour or hour long slot; sorting any problem out or teaching a behaviour isn't achieved in the same amount of time in real life.

My brothers friend used to work on Dog Borstal and he said it was criminal the way the program was edited! He said the amount of work the trainers (those shown on TV and those behind the scenes trainers) was huge and it was wrong for it not to be shown properly. It made the process look very easy where as in fact it had taken hours of intensive work both previously and during the 4 day 'camp'. Shame because most people assume whats shown is all that is done and it's that easy to train a dog!!!

Exactly.

And my worry is, that people will see a trainer on DB shake a rattle bottle a couple of times, and it won't work as dramatically as is shown on TV (of course) and they'll think "I must just have to shake it harder/more frequently" and they'll end up with either a cowed, scared dog (bad) or a scared, aggressive dog (worse)

I know all about the "Don't try this at home" disclaimer but I really don't think they hammer that home enough.

Back to the original query.

What are you doing when he starts to bite? Are you playing, moving, sitting, standing, washing up?

If the dog does start biting what do you do? Say "NO!" and walk away, give the dog a command to follow such as sit, replace your hand with a chew he can have a go at?

If he bites when you are playing and the play gets a bit overboard and intense then he's worked up into a frenzy and needs to be taught to calm it by saying "NO!" and walking away over and over and over and over and over again until he gets the idea. Best way to do this is when you are playing with him, fetch would eb the best one with him being a retriever, is for you to
start and end the game.

I did this with Dillon by if he brought me a toy to throw for him in the lounge of in the garden I wouldn;t throw it straight away. I knew he wanted to play so I knew I had his attention. I placed the toy pruposefully on the floor and told him to leave, If he went near it then I used my foot or my hand to block his path as well as saying "AHA!" (my equivelant to CM's "Shhhh"). He would try and get to it initially and i had to push him back or walk him away and sit him down until he got the idea that if i put something ont he floor it was mine and no longer his. When he got to the point of bringing it, watching me put it on the floor and then backing away to lie down and watch what I did nextIi would make him wait for about 5mins before doing anything.
I would calmly pick the toy up and walk away from the area he brought it to and he would follow me. So if he brought it to me in the lounge I'd walk with it to the kitchen or the garden. I would then make him sit and only then would I play fetch with him.
When I'd had enough then i would tell him to drop it and then leave it. If he left it but when I started walking away i would tell him to leave it again and stand over it. Not as a dominance thing at all just if he went for it again I could block his path a lot more easily and give the command until he got the idea. Once he left it and walked away I would walk away too.
After five or ten minutes I would get up as though just leaving the room but go back to the toy and call him. We would play again and and run through the leave it routine until he got that play started and ended when I said so.

Soon after that the biting stop.

today i think i've realised he bites when he wants to play. this morning i was gettin ready and he made a kind of cry noise and then lashed out. i said no and i try to walk into him to make him back off, this didnt work to i say no again and try to walk away, if he's quite calm i ask him to sit but this doesnt work when he's in the frame of mind to bite. if he doesnt stop nipping at my arms and legs i walk out the room and shut the door for bout 30secs and then go back in, dont look at him and get on with what i was doing, this usually works. but the problem over the past few days has been he's doing it in the garden when i cant get away quick enough and to ignore him is too painful, the bites really hurt and can cause cuts and bruises. i must stress this is not all the time, he's not a terrible puppy but this is really getting to me now and i dont know what else to try. his tail is wagging when he bites

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Corrine

Hi, I think you have already been given a lot of good advice, but I just wanted to say that I have a 5 month old Giant Schnauzer who has been extremely hard work at times because of her 'play biting'. I also have 4 kids so it was really important to get on top of it as soon as possible. In the early days it was hard to spend any time at all with her when I wasn't feeding, letting her out or walking her because she constantly bit. In the evenings when the kids were in bed I would try and let her come in and let her settle at my feet but I couldn't take more than 10 minutes at a time. In the garden she would almost go into a frenzy going for my hands, feet and ankle(which were black and blue!).

I posted on another forum with a very similar post to your OP and got loads of different advice including the excellent article(The Bite Stops here) as already sited. I tried yelping - no effect, I tried ignoring -very difficult with a Giant Schnauzer jaw clamped around your ankle kind of makes it hard to get away, I tried saying no like I really really meant it but still it went on! I must also confess that I 'Alfa Rolled' her twice in desperation, her frenzied could be rather scary, but this turned a play frenzy into aggression so I personally would not recommend it!

Now she is 5 months and still play bites though much much less towards the kids and definitely not the toddler(she seems to realise thats a big 'no-no'). She will settle down for a cuddle and after a few minutes start to bit my hand as if she wants comfort and to ease tooth pain from teething, and she still grabs my clothes and jumps up an tries to nip, but she is getting better all the time!

In the end I think it is just consistency and saying 'No' in your bestest biggest scary voice then making it clear the game is finished and you don't want to be in their company thank you very much(you can come back when you are prepared to behave yourself!!).

Anyway, best of luck, I'm sure in time both our dogs will get there in the end!

Thx SchnauzerWowzer for sharing your experiences.
It's great to hear from others going through similar things, makes us all feel 'normal'
Good to hear that things are getting better for you and with patience and consistency, and hopefully not too many more bruises corrine3 will get there

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