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Old 28-05-2009, 05:57 PM
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Re: JRT puppy biting, also chewing on lead

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Sorry to me thats a load of cr*p my JRT would take that all the wrong way and want to play so i think this method would certainly not work on this breed....Like rona has said the JRT can be a very feisty breed

I agree. I have to say, this board seems to be absolutely CRAWLING with Cesar wannabe's.... you can spot 'em a mile off, with their fondness for phrases such as "projecting the right energy" and "Alpha" and suchlike
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Old 28-05-2009, 05:59 PM
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Re: JRT puppy biting, also chewing on lead

Wether it works or not, i think it is quite irresponsible to tell people to "bite" a dog.


I would have thought that is the quickest way to A & E myself.
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Old 28-05-2009, 06:06 PM
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Re: JRT puppy biting, also chewing on lead

Of course youre all entitled to your opinion but "Borderer" i think its a bit harsh the way you are reacting to somebody elses opinion. Just out of wondering, are any of you professionals to be giving the verdicts you give or are you just biased to the breed?????, i suspect its the latter.
Oh and by the way, i have a male JRT myself so you dont have to tell me about the breed like i dont understand them. These methods are not breed specific as none are, and thinking they are is why a lot of dog owners make mistakes.

At the end of the day, i am willing to help anyone who has issues. Im not saying YOU HAVE TO listen to my advice, thats the point of the definition of the word. But i dont appreciate the un-called for comments coming from the ones who are attacking my post, especially considering you have not given this girl advice from yourself. Id like to see what you have to say Borderer seeing as you are so passionate about the advice i posted.
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Old 28-05-2009, 06:12 PM
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Re: JRT puppy biting, also chewing on lead

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Of course youre all entitled to your opinion but "Borderer" i think its a bit harsh the way you are reacting to somebody elses opinion. Just out of wondering, are any of you professionals to be giving the verdicts you give or are you just biased to the breed?????, i suspect its the latter.
Oh and by the way, i have a male JRT myself so you dont have to tell me about the breed like i dont understand them. These methods are not breed specific as none are, and thinking they are is why a lot of dog owners make mistakes.

At the end of the day, i am willing to help anyone who has issues. Im not saying YOU HAVE TO listen to my advice, thats the point of the definition of the word. But i dont appreciate the un-called for comments coming from the ones who are attacking my post, especially considering you have not given this girl advice from yourself. Id like to see what you have to say Borderer seeing as you are so passionate about the advice i posted.
i have had terriers all my life i have just sent your post to some of my mates said they all had a laugh
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Old 28-05-2009, 06:14 PM
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Re: JRT puppy biting, also chewing on lead

Speaking from a purely personal point of view....

I will very rarely advise on cases of aggression or biting. It is irresponsible, I feel, to try to diagnose such problems on the net. The most I will do is, for instance, advise someone to use a house line to remove a dog from a sofa rather than its collar.

However, I feel that advising someone to "bite" their dog, without knowing the person and the dog, and without having a clue as to the circumstances of the dog being a problem, is hugely irresponsible. You risk the dog becoming TRULY aggressive.

The dog as described in the OP is doing typically puppy things which should be perfectly curable WITHOUT punitive methods such as jerking the lead and "biting" with fingers.
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Old 28-05-2009, 06:21 PM
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Re: JRT puppy biting, also chewing on lead

I think it is very dangerous to tell someone to "bite" over a forum, there are no guarentees they will do it right, and there is a strong possibility it will make a problem worse due to incorrectly used adversion techniques - like the damage that can be done with incorrectly used check chains and prong collars.
They should ONLY be used when trained by a professional in person, not described over the internet - its too open to misinterpretation and misuse. (not that i think they should be used even then but thats neither here nor there)

I dont have a jrt but i do hae a very feisty, strong headed terrier, and dominating techniques just make him push back even more...

personally with a pup that young i would persist with "ow"s and replacing my arm/hand with a puppy teething toy. When buster was a pup, teething kongs and toys were a saviour

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Re: JRT puppy biting, also chewing on lead

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Wether it works or not, i think it is quite irresponsible to tell people to "bite" a dog.


I would have thought that is the quickest way to A & E myself.
Couldnt agree more. Ive had my dog for ten years, and im 99% sure that "biting" him would provoke an aggressive reaction from him.

What it boils down to is that dogs ARENT wolves, they dont share the same behaviours, as they are so far removed from their wild ancestors, so i feel comparing the two species and basing training methods on how wolves interact with eachother is ignorant and and treading on dangerous ground.

Dogs should be treated as dogs, studied in their own right, and training methods used that reflect domestic canine behaviour, not a wild animals behaviour.
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Old 28-05-2009, 06:44 PM
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Re: JRT puppy biting, also chewing on lead

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i have had terriers all my life i have just sent your post to some of my mates said they all had a laugh
Oh my, i think ill stop doing what i do just because your FRIENDS have laughed at my post

And the "energy" i refer to is a fact, its not my opinion. Approach an unwanted behaviour with the wrong energy and you are doomed from the start, its not just coz Cesar says so, its a fact and is how Dog Phsycology is taught and trained.

The "bite" is not a bite with aggression, that would cause further issues. If executed correctly and at the right time, it is affective 100% regardless of the breed. If you are in the wrong frame of mind i.e, you feel inside that your technique will fail, IT WILL FAIL and you are back to square one, simple! Its a fact that this technique is the most affective out of any general technique in existence. To say im a Cesar wannabee is childish, if his techniques dont work, the dog psychology education system would not have adopted the ways he uses.
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Old 28-05-2009, 06:48 PM
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Re: JRT puppy biting, also chewing on lead

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Oh my, i think ill stop doing what i do just because your FRIENDS have laughed at my post

And the "energy" i refer to is a fact, its not my opinion. Approach an unwanted behaviour with the wrong energy and you are doomed from the start, its not just coz Cesar says so, its a fact and is how Dog Phsycology is taught and trained.

The "bite" is not a bite with aggression, that would cause further issues. If executed correctly and at the right time, it is affective 100% regardless of the breed. If you are in the wrong frame of mind i.e, you feel inside that your technique will fail, IT WILL FAIL and you are back to square one, simple! Its a fact that this technique is the most affective out of any general technique in existence. To say im a Cesar wannabee is childish, if his techniques dont work, the dog psychology education system would not have adopted the ways he uses.
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Old 28-05-2009, 06:50 PM
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Re: JRT puppy biting, also chewing on lead

You talk as if Cesar INVENTED the techniques he uses

He isn't the only person to use them, you know. And many trainers will agree that having the right attitude/energy/whatever you want to call it is important.

Cesar's techniques - the good ones and the not so good - have been around for decades. As have all the hundreds of other ways of training dogs.

Unfortunately though, Cesar with his teeth and his charisma has made the more negative methods of training more "glamorous"
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