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Old 05-04-2009, 10:21 PM
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Re: Food agression

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I love the idea of Jans book but in practice they don't relate very well into a busy house with children. (sorry i assume that is who you are quoting)
Do you mean dogmaster is quoting Jan Fennell's book? If so, then there is a copyright issue for starters. I must admit I've never been a fan or the 'other' dog listener either. If anyone is really interested in how dogs work and reading a book on resource guarding (which is what all this is, not an 'obsessive compulsive behaviour' ) then I would recommend Jean Donaldson's Mine.

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Re: Food agression

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Do you mean dogmaster is quoting Jan Fennell's book? If so, then there is a copyright issue for starters. I must admit I've never been a fan or the 'other' dog listener either. If anyone is really interested in how dogs work and reading a book on resource guarding (which is what all this is, not an 'obsessive compulsive behaviour' ) then I would recommend Jean Donaldson's Mine.

Mine ! by Jean Donaldson only £9.50 - at www.canineconces.co.uk

It's not word for word just recognised one of the techniques
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:23 AM
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Re: Food agression

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I love the idea of Jans book but in practice they don't relate very well into a busy house with children. (sorry i assume that is who you are quoting)

I found they did not have enough content in this area to satisfy me that my dog would not assume he was higher in the pack than the children as they really can't adhere to the 5 minute rule or ensure they go through a door first.

I do pretend to munch from his bowl and i get the children to do it too but i think the positive association makes more sense to me.
Hi there , have four kiddies , one of whom is just two and a half months and two leos .
so i do know much about the time issue . I only suggest these two books as they make good easy reads , and give a small insight into the canine mind.

With all dogs they are different and they respond differently to various trainning methods and techniques and behaviour modification , what works well for one will not work well for another .

With the children issue i would try and turn it into a game if you can , make up some strange game that involves making the dog wait in a sitting postion musical status or something but without music .Or whatever suits your needs , it is time comsuming though and i know not always practical.

The trainning method you choose must be one you are happy with and you can invisage working. Have a great day , hope this help
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:39 AM
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Re: Food agression

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Do you mean dogmaster is quoting Jan Fennell's book? If so, then there is a copyright issue for starters. I must admit I've never been a fan or the 'other' dog listener either. If anyone is really interested in how dogs work and reading a book on resource guarding (which is what all this is, not an 'obsessive compulsive behaviour' ) then I would recommend Jean Donaldson's Mine.

Mine ! by Jean Donaldson only £9.50 - at www.canineconces.co.uk


No the Dog Master does not relate to Jan fennels books .
In my experience i have found food obsession to be a form of obsessive compulsive behaviour , "resource guarding" termed correctly you mean the obsessiveness to guards ones resources "food".
The reason i refere to this behaviour as obsessive , is because if you watch a dogs body language when they are resource guarding it is tense , and they are focused simply on the food ,and convert back to there inner state of mind and become obsessed with that particular moment in time (i hope i have explained myself well enough for you too understand)
On the other hand a dog in calm normal state of mind , without the tenseness will feel secure enough not gaurd his/her food.
What works for one dog will not always work for another , there are various techniques you can use to any given situations , dogs are not black and white nore should your approach to a situation be .
Some dogs will not respond to one trainer and will another . They are all very individual i really enjoy reading new books on canines so i shall purchase yours .Have a great day
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Old 06-04-2009, 09:30 AM
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No but if you read.. I did say that only ONE day I corrected him for growling at me, he learned from me taking his food away Twice, that growling at me, or acting agressively resulted in me taking his dinner away. As I have done with an adult dog with severe seperation anxiety- it was how the behaviourist told me to. I wasn't telling him off.. But he loves his food.. therefore if he is going to do unwanted behaviour, he will get it removed, and rewarded by getting it back once he is calm.

From one day, twice doing this, he has stopped growling completely.

I Want to be able to take his food off him, go near him when he has pork strips, Without him reacting.

I want him to think it is completly normal for me and my family to be close and able to take things off him. Food does not belong to him, everything belongs to me.

I do also add food to his bowl but it is more taking things and being near him I want him used to as I said I have a small boy and although he has been taught not to pester the dogs, you can't predict them or be everywhere at once, so I want that peice of mind, knowing that from a very young age, the pup isn't going to react to Anyone near food.

As people have said, they think I am doing it right... I must have done something right, because he has never growled at me with foor, treat or toy once since.

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Hi Dog aren't black and white and what willwork for one wont nessacarrily work for another .It's how you apply these techniques and modify them to get the maximum benefit

Instead of taking food away , try to claim it , Make you dog sit and wait for the food , whilst it is in front of , when the tense body langage dissapears offer the food , the focus on food .Get your dog in a relaxed sate of mind

Claming the food should help , you need to stand over the food , making sure your dog realise he will have the food but when you say so.(it is so much easier to show you this technique than write about it)

This technique only works when your dogs state of mind changes,it can take a while for your dog to understand this approach.

Hope this helps, do not remove food or his behaviour may esculate in to a higher more tense state of mind and he may bite

I hope i have helped have a greay day
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