Originally Posted by tesscol

HI, sorry cant help with ur problem, but u say the Halti doesnt help. Maybe one of these bridles may help. I was recommended these by the dog trainer where I go for agility.

K9Bridle

I have used one on my border collie as I cannot walk her on the lead because of her pulling. But with these she is easy to walk.

It has taken a while for me to use such a thing as I always think they dont look nice. ButI think if they can help with problems worth a try

Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble

I am actually wondering if Jack is picking up (nervous !!) signals from you whilst out walking, you don't say how the other dogs are behaving whilst these problems are happening, but it sounds as though Jack could be trying to establish himself as pack leader.

If I were you I think I would be inclined to enrol in a good training class, on a one to one basis if need be and maybe concentrating on the recall and stay commands initially.
regards
DT

Originally Posted by goodvic2

HI.Hi It sounds as though you have many issues and you need help. Where do you live? Bromsgrove, worcestershire

I took on 2 adult rescue street dogs from Greece over a year ago. They were not trained to walk on a lead, were nervous, aggressive at times to people and the biggest problem was their aggression towards other dogs. It has been one uphill struggle for the past 15 months. Eventually I took on a third rescue dog because my first 2 were so much better behaved and I thought it would do them good to have another dog in our house. After the initial month when fights were the norm, things are much, much better. I am now at a stage where I can walk all 3 dogs off the lead over the park (2 wear spray collers) - this was IMPOSSIBLE up until a few months ago as they would kill another dog.

The reason I am telling you this is because I understand how you feel and I want to give you some encouragement that you can make it better. It takes a heck of a lot of work.

From your post I will give you a bit of feed back about what I think you are doing wrong.

1) When you recall your dog to put the muzzle on, you can bet your life you are doing it with nervous and anxious energy. Never underestimate how our dogs can pick up on our emotions - how do you think they survive in the wild - by reading body language. We don't take them to the park that often because of the risk that other dogs will come punding up to them. There always on a lead as even if they wern't nasty they would just run and not come back. We have had this happen in the past and Jill got ran over also another reason is Jill is deaf so cannot hear us calling her back
2) Because your dog is unbalanced - you are right it can spread to the rest of the pack.
3) I take it they are not getting daily walks as nobody likes doing it? This will MASSIVELY impact their behaviour as they have so much pent up energy.They used to be taken out daily. Then this happened so they haven't been out because we just can't predict whats going to happen then if anything does happen we just get abuse or people going to phone the police
4) By not feeding them together you are dividing the pack and making it worse. I have always made mine eat together even though they wanted to kill each other at first. If you have to, stand in the middle, but it is imperative they eat together.what i meant by not feeding them together is that in our kitchen theres like cupboards inbetween the kitchen and dining room so someone stands in the middle and jack is one side and jill and reggie the other. But i suppose this is still seperate. Thats the only way we can keep them apart. Once jack has finished hes straight in the livingroom, then reggies goes outside then jill follows out after shes finished then we send jack out this is when the fights start between them. We have taken to putting jacks muzzle on him after his tea then putting him out after a few minuites remove his muzzle then he's fine.

Do you ever walk the dogs on their own? I had to stop walking the greek guys together for months because they would set each other off.
No we never walk them on there own. We did once. I walked jack about 15 mins ahead of my mom. Jack couldn't see the others. My mom walked reggie and jill. When we got back jack started on reggie. It was the first time jack had every actually drew blood he caused 3 puncture wounds in reggies leg. Hence why we don't walk them on there own

Who is the pack leader in the house? Ask yourself these questions?
* When you return from being out, do you allow the dogs to greet you in an excitable mannor or jump at you? Do you acknowledge them straight away or make them wait?Sometimes, sometimes we just say out then send them in the garden to go to the toilet
* Do you walk through door ways first, or do they?Most of the time they do they barge straight past
* When you walk out of the house to go for a walk, who goes through the door first?One of the dogs. We try to get reggie in front with my mom and jack and jill go behind with me because then reggie never gets home before jack Whoever goes first is the leader of the walk (in a dogs eyes)
* Do they walk by your side or constantly in front of you?Cconstantly infront we have tried to train them ourselfs at home but when one person has to walk 2 dogs its really hard

My guess is you need to go back to basics and install some discipline (don't mean physical). I worked with a great behaviourst and it has brought me to where I am now, along with books and TV show of Cesar Milan and Jan Fennell.

I know there is not much advice as in what to do in this post, basically you need to go back to the beginning, re-establish yourself as pack leader. If you want further info on what I have done with my guys I am happy to help. That would be great if you don't mind Let me know which part of the country you are in.
Vicky x