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I desperately need help. I suppose I must have messed up somewhere in the beginning, but I have been trying from the start to work with my dog's separation anxiety, and after four years, am still getting nowhere.
Background: I adopted my 11 lb terrier mutt when he was 5 month old from a shelter. He has ALWAYS been a timid dog, from day one. As a puppy, he had his fair share of accidents in the house, and I read that punishment for mistakes was not going to be effective like encouragement for good behavior would. I did my best not to scold him too harshly for accidental elimination, but lavishly praised every outside elimination, and he ate up the attention. He quickly learned not to eliminate in the house when someone was home, and as an adult dog, can hold his bladder the entire work day as long as there is a person in the apartment. However, I have NEVER been able to trust him home alone. Whether he is left alone for several hours, or only 10 minutes, he will undoubtedly eliminate next to a door, even though he KNOWS this is bad, and will act guilty when I return home. Luckily for our first several years together, I lived in a house with a yard, so he was left outside with other dogs when people were not home. He has been very attached to me from the day I adopted him. At the time, I lived with 2 roommates, so there was almost always someone home, but he would go through drastic measures to ensure that he was in the same room as me, with no barriers between us. He is fine sitting across the room from me, he does not have to have my attention, but a door or doggie gate between us has always been a point of anxiety for him, and he will go through extreme escape artist feats trying to get to me. I got married about a year ago, the dog was about 3.5 yrs old. My husband and I moved into an apartment together, and we both work full time. We tried leaving him in the tiled kitchen with a kiddie gate, which he subsequently learned to vault. Next we tried leashing him in the kitchen, which resulted in (for the first time in his life) destructive behavior, including dumping of food/water dishing, pulling towels off the oven door, opening cabinets, chewing on the metal oven drawer and cutting his gums, smearing blood all over the place, eliminating and then smooshing it everywhere trying to hide it. We were absolutely shocked at the scene we came home to. We began trying to crate train him, as slowly as we could, but we were both working full time and really did not have much leeway in how fast the training had to go. At first it seemed to be going well. But eventually we realized that within seconds of our departures, he has a separation anxiety attack. Daily. He is extremely vocal, pants, salivates, and frantically gnaws at the crate latch. He (my tiny 11 lb dog) has chewed through an entire carabeener steel lock we used on his crate after he figured out how to open it's normal latch. When I arrive home at the end of the work day, I hear him stretch as I walk in the door, and can tell he was in a state of calm behavior, but within seconds of my arrival (whether he can see me or not), he returns to a full blown panic attack in his crate. I do not want to immediately let him out of his crate and encourage his attention-seeking behavior, so I have tried everything I know to get him to calm down before I let him out. I have tried scolding, I have tried telling him "No" and "Sit", both words he knows very well when he is calm. I have tried ignoring him (as most articles on separation anxiety instruct you to do), but to no avail. If I stay in the room and ignore him, or go into another room and ignore him, his panic attack does not stop at '10-15 min' as explained in advice columns, but will continue for over an hour. Yes, I have timed them more than once. He simply does not stop. My husband is more than fed up, and wants me to get rid of the dog. No matter what I say, I cannot convince him to eradicate his habit of taking out his frustrations at the dog with punishment and angry words (both of which cause the dog to soil the carpet, thus making my husband even more angry). But I cannot bring myself to give the dog away, because every time we have had someone pet-sit for us, the dog goes into depression and will not eat until I return. I can only imagine how he would handle being given away. Every article I read talks of training the anxiety out of the dog by rewarding only the calm behavior. But if he simply will not calm down, where do I go from here?? Help!! |
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Firstly. It is really difficult to provide an environment where a dog can be successful in all the tasks and roles that he has to fulfil unless everyone that the dog interacts with on a daily basis is onside and on-message to provide that support. So unless your husband can be persuaded to help and not hinder I think you will continue in a spiral where you try to do good that is undone by your partner's actions. If this leads to the removal of the dog how will that impact the relationship with your husband in the future, something for you both to consider.
From your description the dog is not suffering Separation Anxiety but is bored out of it's mind with nothing to do while left alone. Assuming the dog sleeps at night when you are asleep it is unreasonable to expect the dog to sleep during the day as well. There are "Doggie Day Care" companies that would resolve this problem. Your mentioning of "punishment" and "not scold him too harshly" suggests that the first training that is required for both you and your husband. Without a united and positive approach to dog care you will not improve the situation - the reality of re-homing is that a small mutt might find a new home, but have the baggage that has developed over the past year. Before embarking on a new approach to dog training I suggest you need to discuss the decline in the dog's behaviour since moving in together, that seems to be the cause from the information you have given. |
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here's the sticky
How to help a dog with Separation Anxiety. - Pet Forums Community strongly advise: find a veterinary-behaviorist, ASAP - or give-up the dog to a rescue, shelter, or a qualified specialist - not some self-anointed 'behaviorist', not a franchise trainer, NOT a pack-theory Neanderthal! - who can help the dog, and who WON'T LEAVE HIM ALONE during the weeks & possibly months of his B-Mod. either he leaves the house to go elsewhere when the humans leave, or someone else is paid to come INTO the house when the resident[s] leave. There are no other options, till he's recovered. |
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Re: EXTREME Separation Anxiety. HELP!!
To be honest I pretty much agree with everything that Terry (Leashedforlife) has said - although it certainly wasn't tactful! (No offense of course Terry).
Assuming your priority is doing right by the dog you have two options: 1) Get professional (qualified, vet referred behaviourist) help and follow it to the letter, no matter how much time, money and effort that involves. This means not just you but your husband doing it right - he MUST be on board with any behaviour modification or it will not work. Give this dog everything he needs to overcome his problems, until he no longer gets distressed. 2) Rehome him. Now for the detailed bit..... Quote:
I honestly believe that if you can't end his suffering, then rehoming him would be by far the lesser of two evils. Quote:
Punishing him (which includes any "scolding") is not simply useless; it has and will make him worse!! Look at it this way... for some reason the dog originally found being home alone bad and scary. Then suddenly you started to scold him when you got home. Now it has escalated to the point where your husband appears to be losing control and terrifying the poor dog. Now the dog has even more reason to hate being left - not only it is terrifying being alone, it is terrifying when you return because terrible things happen. I am frankly sickened and appalled by your husbands behaviour - if he "punished" a child so severely he caused him to wet or crap himself with fear how would you feel? Quote:
And dogs don't do guilt. For one thing, there is no evidence dogs are capable of experiencing guilt, in fact the evidence suggests it is unlikely. And what has he got to feel guilty about? It isn't like he understand the costs of carpets / lino, or that people find the smell of dog pooh offensive. What he is doing isn't "wrong" as far as he is concerned. His "guilt" is nothing more than appeasement and / or fear - either because he sees you are angry and knows that bad things are about to happen, or he associates your coming home with bad things always happening, whether you initially seem angry or not. Stop the punishment NOW. All of it. No cross words, nothing. In terms of treating the problem this is going to take a huge amount of time and effort - mainly because whilst it is happening this dog can not be left alone - period. Any time he is left before he is ready will only set him back further. You can both take time off work, get friends or relatives to stay with him, have a dog sitter / walker take him out or whatever but do not leave him alone. You can then start from scratch, initially with simply getting him used to not being in the same room etc before moving on to pretending to leave, leaving him for a matter of seconds, etc. and building it up gradually making it as positive and calm as possible. There may be other things worth trying; like DAP diffusers or Rescue Remedy or even medication to help keep him calm but these should be used in conjunction with a proper behaviour modification plan in place - on their own they are unlikely to have much effect. It would also be worth looking at his housetraining again during this time - just going back to rewarding him for eliminating outside just to reinforce this (although I do not behave his accidents in the house are under his control right now). And building a "chew toy obsession" to encourage permitted chewing behaviour rather than destruction. I would also suggest both of you embarking on a fun programme of positive reinforcement, fun training to try to rebuild the bond between you. Your husband has done an excellent job of shattering the dogs trust and confidence so far. In the longer term, if boredom is an issue or if he chews in order to feel better, then providing suitable chew toys or interactive toys like kongs and activity balls when he is alone may be beneficial. That's the briefest overview. Aside from giving you a very general idea of the work involved it won't help you much. You really need to seek professional help on this one. I would strongly suggest you ask your vet to refer you to a qualified behaviourist (if you are in the UK I would recommend APBC or COAPE registered). Frankly though if ANYONE, husband or not, terrified my dog to point it eliminated in fear they would never enter my home again and I would sure as hell do the same to him. ![]()
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Re: EXTREME Separation Anxiety. HELP!!
Manoy - I just wanted to explain the reasons I didn't agree with your diagnosis...
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The OP has clearly stated that the problems occur even if the dog is only left for 10 minutes; indeed that his extreme reactions start "within seconds" of their departure. This doesn't leave the dog much time in which to get bored. The problems themselves don't sound to me like the dog having "fun" in the slightest. Eliminating is not a boredom issue, and combined with escape attempts etc as well... Plus we have the obvious issue that the dog can't even be in a different room when the owners are in without totally losing control. Of course, this dog may well not be getting enough exercise or mental stimulation - there is no mention of any training / play / walks so we don't know - but I honestly can't see that being the problem here. Increasing his exercise and providing suitable toys might benefit him, but I very much doubt they are going to stop the behaviours he is displaying.
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Re: EXTREME Separation Anxiety. HELP!!
I am thoroughly disgusted by this post. Your dog is not looking guilty, FFS, he is scared stiff when he sees you or your old man. He is shut in a crate all day, a high energy breed like a terrier, and expected to just behave.
Put yourself in his place. He is imprisoned, alone which he is already scared of, and terrorised when someone does appear. The best thing you can do for this dog is rehome him, or better still, rehome the husband. Are you going to allow him to treat your children this way?
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Re: EXTREME Separation Anxiety. HELP!!
Lots of harsh and blunt words but I have to agree. This poor dog needs a different home with someone who is prepared to understand and meet his needs.
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