Just spoke to ddb welfare lady, she was helpful. She basically said it's doesn't sound like aggression, and to take control and stop him whilst he's biting, she did say leading him out by collar won't help I have to be firmer with this breed. She said the freezing on walks is fairly normal, it's how I would act if I was dropped on mars. She said it's important to socialise him and always walk him on lead, mainly because he may not pick a fight bought he will surely finish it. It's safer on lead, if he's ever in a serious fight it will be him that's punished.

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WHOA - what does that phrase in BOLD-type mean?

just HOW are U spozed to 'stop him whilst he's biting'...?
bullcr*p, IMO; claiming 'U have to be firmer with ____ [breed of choice]' is absolutely untrue.

FIRMER usually is politically-correct labeling for forceful, aversive, punitive, harsh, etc.
it won't help; in fact, firmer usually has bad side-effects, which can neither be predicted
nor prevented; they aren't immediate, but become apparent over days, weeks or months later.

OTOH, a TIME-OUT is a perfectly acceptable consequence for painful bites by a pup,
& time-out WON'T cause bad behavioral-fallout that aversives [smack, grab muzzle / hold jaws shut,
flick nose painfully with a snapped-finger, etc] can result in.

i would only change LEADING BY THE COLLAR - i wouldn't do that, as it makes reaching for his collar
the prelude to a bad-thing; i'd have him drag his leash & use the leash, OR i'd have a hang-tab on his collar,
which can be a 2-ft long hunk of bike-cable - or a super-short traffic-style lead, or a piece of sash-cord,
anything light & durable will work.

Pick up the hang-tab / dragging leash & use IT, not his collar, to escort him to his time-out area.
His crate can be used for time-outs, WHICH ARE VERY SHORT - a minute is usually too long,
30-seconds of time-out is plenty, then he's released for another opp to sin again - the rapid release
& equally-rapid next offense teach him the connection, "I bite?
I go into solitary." if he's in time-out for 60-secs & begins to fuss, he'll have entirely forgotten
WHAT caused the time-out; he's only frustrated by being confined.

Immediate, SHORT time-outs [with immediate-opps to sin again] give him the info to understand WHAT
triggers a time-out: his own bites = time-out, & when he doesn't bite, or if he only mouths gently
& appropriately, he STAYS out with everyone else; games, fun, & social-companionship continue.

huh?...
what does 'He'll be the one punished' mean?

Who will punish him?
the other dog? i don't understand. Please explain?

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Cheers for the info, I was a little dubious myself of the "firm" handling, I've not carried anything like that out. I will say he is very stubborn and will only participate in training if he's in the mood no matter what treats are on offer, this makes things difficult. As for the punishment statement, this basically meant if my dogue and another dog are involved in a serious fight regardless of who instigated it in her experience the larger dog is always the one that is pts

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i wonder how that stands though if you dog is on a lead and another dog is off lead and comes up to your dog and your dog attacks it
who is in the wrong you cos your dog attack the dog ( whos not on a lead) or the person whos dog is off lead

any dog who is OFF-leash can flee from a dog who is leashed -
& generally, the dog who's off-leash can read the intentions or emotions of the leashed dog sufficiently
that s/he won't get within biting distance if s/he feels unwelcome or threatened.

that means there's rarely a sustained ATTACK - there might be a snap, a snark, or a single bite,
but the dog who's off-leash CAN WALK [or run] AWAY; the leashed dog can't - they're constrained
by the leash & their handler's control.

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*wolves R wolves, dogs R dogs, + primates R us.*
tmp, sept-2007

ah thanks for that just wondered as ours are always kept on the lead



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Try this with Cooper
Nothing in Life is Free
It's what we have used with the Mals, they too are a stubbourn breed and need firm handling, especially when young. These guys rarely get anything without doing something for it, even being let out to pee they have to sit first. They have to make eye contact when I have their food bowl and again once I have put it on the floor and they don't attempt to touch it until they're told. It's lovely to see a dog that respects you and Cooper needs to realise he gets nothing for free.

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"For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack"

Sounds a good plan, we already make him sit and stay when putting his food down, will apply it to more things aswell

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