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Old 12-12-2011, 07:08 PM
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Re: Training (Or lack of @Walkies)

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Originally Posted by SleepyBones View Post
Your lack of ability to comprehend operant reinforcement is clear, as well as your knowledge of up to date studies.
Again more ignorance. It's been well demonstrated by several people that your understanding of operant conditioning is severely warped.

It's one thing not to know something, but to be persistently and actively ignorant the way you are here is something else.

Let's be clear here. You are LYING to Jack1992Mileym and trying to scare him with 60 year old outdated information. He does not have to keep the dog hungry and 25% below weight. Once again you are intentionally giving out bad advice. Studies have consistently shown that deprivation is not necessary, confirming something trainers had been practicing for a long time. Of course if YOU were a trainer instead of just an internet jockey, you'd have have the same experience.

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In the case of the poster whose dog is not responding to food as a reinforcer in circumstances outside the house is because the food is not ‘intense enough’ to act as a reinforcer under those circumstances.
That just show how little you know. The way you are referring to the food would mean that the owner is using it as a lure, distraction, prompt or even a "bribe" . It is not a reinforcer, learn the difference.

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Skinner increased the intensity of food reinforcers by keeping the animal hungry, dogs have not changed since Skinners time
The video showed pigeons not dogs.


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If the intensity of the food as a reinforcer is inadequate then no reinforcement of ‘wanted’ behaviour will occur,
Also wrong. If the strength of the CONDITIONING is inadequate then no reinforcement of the behavior will occur. You are putting the cart before the horse. Things seem a lot tougher for you when there is not source to copy/paste from.

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The abilty for food to reinforce all dogs behaviour under all circumstances & conditions, which are its normal everyday environment, is unproven
Aside from the atrocious spelling. It will take an INFINITE amount of time to test food as reinforcement under "all circumstances & conditions", since that too is theoretically an infinite number.

Of course science doesn't work this way. We test SPECIFIC criteria. Again SB shows how outdated and naive his thinking really is. The notion that EVERYTHING needs to be known for SOMETHING to be known is ridiculous.

To get back on topic, I'll re-state my opinion that time, a maturing brain, more training and some self control exercises will go a long way in addressing the owner's concerns.

As to increasing distractions. I was taught to work a rifle in a table. To shoot with dry firing, then an indoor closed range, then an open field range, then actual real wargame scenarios. The same distraction training that is applicable to dogs is also seen in humans.

As an aside. Keeping an animal below its "optimal" weight, known as caloric restriction is the only known and proven way of extending longevity, reducing and delaying the onset of many diseases. I don't know of anybody outside a lab who practices it.

How Eating Less Might Make You Live Longer

Calorie restriction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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