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Old 17-10-2011, 08:20 PM
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Ok, the other day i asked for some advice about the best way to introduce my new pup to my 5 year old bitch, GREAT advice was given
All had been going really well until today. . . . this afternoon after he had been fed, i put him in his basket to play with his toys while i washed the pots, and so not to pounce and try to push his luck with my girl, Molly. He was brill, played really happily However, i turned to double check that Molly was still by my feet, to discover she was happily sniffing the new fella I stopped what i was doing and watched to make sure everything was nice. Pup carried on playing with toys and molly had her ears up and tail wagging. Great i thought, she is starting to except him!!! Then she climbs into the basket with him, tail still wagging . . . . . even better i thought!!! But then she started pulling him about with her paw, even though he didn't flinch and try to play back, i left her to it as i didn't want to interfere too much. But then she stood right over him almost completely covering him and started to try and hump him??? Her tail had stopped wagging also. I removed him and told her to go to her bed so she could calm herself down, but now I'm worried sick that things arnt going so well. I really want them to get along and hope that i am not doing it all wrong. I praise her when she does well with him. But she is quite possessive over me. How can i rectify things before it gets worse. I am more than willing to take criticism in order to get it right. He is so, so small compared to her, couldn't bare it if she actually hurt him. Any thoughts on how to deal with this please?
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Ok, the other day i asked for some advice about the best way to introduce my new pup to my 5 year old bitch, GREAT advice was given
All had been going really well until today. . . . this afternoon after he had been fed, i put him in his basket to play with his toys while i washed the pots, and so not to pounce and try to push his luck with my girl, Molly. He was brill, played really happily However, i turned to double check that Molly was still by my feet, to discover she was happily sniffing the new fella I stopped what i was doing and watched to make sure everything was nice. Pup carried on playing with toys and molly had her ears up and tail wagging. Great i thought, she is starting to except him!!! Then she climbs into the basket with him, tail still wagging . . . . . even better i thought!!! But then she started pulling him about with her paw, even though he didn't flinch and try to play back, i left her to it as i didn't want to interfere too much. But then she stood right over him almost completely covering him and started to try and hump him??? Her tail had stopped wagging also. I removed him and told her to go to her bed so she could calm herself down, but now I'm worried sick that things arnt going so well. I really want them to get along and hope that i am not doing it all wrong. I praise her when she does well with him. But she is quite possessive over me. How can i rectify things before it gets worse. I am more than willing to take criticism in order to get it right. He is so, so small compared to her, couldn't bare it if she actually hurt him. Any thoughts on how to deal with this please?
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She sounds quite motherly to me. Seems she got a little excited though. I wouldn't worry to much. Seems like its going fine.
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Ok, the other day i asked for some advice about the best way to introduce my new pup to my 5 year old bitch, GREAT advice was given
All had been going really well until today. . . . this afternoon after he had been fed, i put him in his basket to play with his toys while i washed the pots, and so not to pounce and try to push his luck with my girl, Molly. He was brill, played really happily However, i turned to double check that Molly was still by my feet, to discover she was happily sniffing the new fella I stopped what i was doing and watched to make sure everything was nice. Pup carried on playing with toys and molly had her ears up and tail wagging. Great i thought, she is starting to except him!!! Then she climbs into the basket with him, tail still wagging . . . . . even better i thought!!! But then she started pulling him about with her paw, even though he didn't flinch and try to play back, i left her to it as i didn't want to interfere too much. But then she stood right over him almost completely covering him and started to try and hump him??? Her tail had stopped wagging also. I removed him and told her to go to her bed so she could calm herself down, but now I'm worried sick that things arnt going so well. I really want them to get along and hope that i am not doing it all wrong. I praise her when she does well with him. But she is quite possessive over me. How can i rectify things before it gets worse. I am more than willing to take criticism in order to get it right. He is so, so small compared to her, couldn't bare it if she actually hurt him. Any th#oughts on how to deal with this please?


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There are many thoughts on why dogs mount, apart from the obvious of course. Some say its a sign of dominance, others that it is a form of play, pups in the litter do in fact chase bite and mount as a form of play and to instigate it. I havent seen what happened of course, but from what you have said I dont think I would immediately be panicking. The sniffing him, the ears up and wagging tail and even climbing into the basket sounds like it could all be instigating play. Sometimes dogs paw and prod (for want of a better description) at each other to get them to take notice and start play, my youngest is a classic for it to start the others playing, so its possible thats what the pawing and pushing him about could be. My old girl also trys to mount the others at feeding time always has and still does at 13 and a half now. If pup doesnt seem to back off from her or seems to be anxious and wary then as I said I wouldnt start to panic yet. I know he is a lot smaller in size and weight, and if play really did get rough there is a chance that he could get hurt by accident I know, I would just continue to monitor them closely and continue to let them interact supervised still, and just give it a bit more time.

Just another thought, Breeds often have breed specific things they do as regards to play etc etc. If I remember rightly they are both EBTs? If the Breeder you got Junior from has loads of breed experience, then she maybe able to help you further. If you tell her your concerns too, then likely she can put your mind at rest whether its normal EBT iter action any if its anything to worry about or not. Im not that familiar with EBTs have only known probably 2 or 3, from what I gather and remember I would think their form of play would be rather rough and far from genteel to be honest, so it could well all be normal EBT stuff. From what you have said, I dont think I would be alarmed.
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Wow, sounds like i worry too much lol!! Yes they are both EBT's
Thank you again, I think I am more worried with her being the only dog, then along comes the pup to take the attention away from her. Then i am concerned that she will feel it from me. She is flat out on me at the moment and not concerned about little man playing, so i am taking that as a good sighn also. I am so pleased its all still going well, YAY haha
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Wow, sounds like i worry too much lol!! Yes they are both EBT's
Thank you again, I think I am more worried with her being the only dog, then along comes the pup to take the attention away from her. Then i am concerned that she will feel it from me. She is flat out on me at the moment and not concerned about little man playing, so i am taking that as a good sighn also. I am so pleased its all still going well, YAY haha
To be honest I think we worry a hell of a lot more then the dogs do.
Being as you have got a dog and a bitch, The senior/older one is the bitch and seeing how junior is also a puppy. I cannot really see anything happening apart from while he is tiny and in case they get over excited and the play gets out of hand they will need some supervising and management, just in case he got hurt by accident whilst small. She doesnt seem to be hostile to him, and he seems to be content enough just to do his own thing inbetween and not be in her face and drive her mad.He also doesnt seem to be frightened backing off or scared of her. So early days considered as well, I would say so far so good. Just keep up the supervision and do what your doing
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Re: Worried about new pup and older b*tch

Humping is a sexual behaviour, but it doesn't always have to occur in sexual contexts. It happens when a dog becomes over-aroused, it's a 'life skill' just as fighting, flighting and freezing are life skills (survival skills). Dogs often mount in play (exciting context- humans can even get a bit frisky playing with the opposite sex ), and in times of stress (displacement behaviour- just performing it to calm themselves down, whilst probably ignoring the situation at hand, similar to ground sniffing, looking away, yawning etc.).

So I wouldn't worry. Your older bitch is probably still getting used to him, and may have been a little over-excited, perhaps feeding off the hormones of the pup whilst he was having a great time playing with his toys.

Manage the situation by having a good 'Off' command (although this will need to be trained slowly and consistently for it to have use in this highly-distracting context) and trying to understand when it usually happens and pre-empt it. However, the pup may not mind and play with her afterwards, by which I'd leave her to it!
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Some great advice given, and must say a huge thank you. Today she has been great and pup certainly doesn't look concerned by her. In every other way i couldn't ask for a better dog (Molly)! She is fantastic with my kids and so loving, hence why i have stuck to EBT's. They suit our way of living, so I know they are taken care of. I just haven't been around an older female being introduced to a pup, so wanted to make sure i wasn't doing anything wrong. Thank you all again, you have all been very informative and helpful
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