So ..... what do people think of the Kennel Clubs response to the dog trainers advice on The One Show last week

Kennel Club Statement about dog training techniques used on The One Show - The Kennel Club

With further information from The Dog Magazine

http://coldwetnose.blogspot.com/2011....html?spref=fb

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Bugger the lot of them

All organizations in every country should be more proactive in debunking the garbage that has been popularized by Millan. Kudos to the RSPCA they are getting a small donation for this, with a letter explaining why as to encourage further action.

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Wake up SB, acurracy of fact is needed yet again!

Please guys, very, very please, get it right!

It is not CMs dominance reduction and or pack theory, it is APDT founder John Fishers dominance reduction theory along with APBC founder John Rogersons dominant Alpha dog etc, the APBC books still on sale along and John Rogersons 'The Dominant Dog'.

All CM did was jump on the commercial bandwagon of J Fisher & J Rogerson back around 1995 or around that period, he copied what already was not created it, the dominance theory & dominance reduction programms in their various forms are John Fishers baby.

1. APDT John Fisher – “Dominance reduction program”
Dog names, health, and news!: The Harmony Program - Energy Healing For Animals

2. APBC Publication - John RogersonThe Dominant Dog
Amazon.com: The Dominant Dog: John Rogerson: Video

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lol, another chance for KC to attempt to distract people from their own publicity -

KC Reg Pedigree Dogs Exposed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm17MesMFRc

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Hardly old hat that one

The second link sums it up - a extremely large volume of complaints caused the original comment thread on The One Show web page to be withdrawn, a lot of other complaints to the RSPCA over and I suppose the KC had no option but to pass comment.

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Bugger the lot of them

But doesn't CM get the blame for absolutely everything? Would have thought there were plenty of trainers using the dominance theory long before his time.

Expect some on this forum don't go back that far!

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Oh they must do! many of the quotes they come up with on dominance I traced back to a book by the Monks Of Skeet circa around 1968-72 or that period, their quotes are used in a contempory context and re-usedmiss-used as CM quotes & methods, quote sources include by Rachel Casey Bristol Uni, or could it be shes trying to sell her commercial concepts against others.

Just in case you've never heard of The Monks of Skeet, don't let that make you feel intellectualy canine illiterate cause no one else had heard of them either untless they did some research on 'contempory' quotes defining CM.

I was around Kings Rd & Carnaby street then & of all my 'period' t-shirt slogan collections I cannot remember having one stating 'Long Live The Monks of Skeet', maybe they give them away at the Bristol uni freshers parties in conjunction with a second slogan option of 'Bless Friar Milan'.

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Not sure why you have singled out the KC among all the other organisations whio have protested - but in doing so it makes it seem that you are attacking the KC over their statement. If you are not - apologies before I start. If you are, can you explain why?

What is wrong with them saying they are concerned, do not agree with the methods, and have contacted The One Show about it? That is a good thing, surely?

What is wrong with them pointing out that people who want to be assured they have a properly qualified trainer can go to someone who has learned under the scheme the KC funded and developed - the Kennel Club Accredited Instructor scheme - a scheme which has achieved City & Guilds recognition and as such is the only scheme in the UK to give an externally verified qualification to its members? Again, these are all good things, surely?

The Kennel Club Accreditation Scheme for Instructors in Dog Training and Canine Behaviour | The Kennel Club


Do you really have a problem with any of the above? Or are you just out for a bit of KC-bashing?

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(But you can always edit your post, of course )

I think it`s excellent that so many organisations are acting to stop a young man who appears to have no qualifications and precious little experience - merely a connection to a TV producer and a personable face - blagging the public about something he knows nothing about.
I think the young man concerned should go back to Music Theatre and the plonker who hired him should be demoted.

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No idea if its a good thing or not, first I heard was this post, all I know is an early poster said he was using what is the John Fisher & John Rogersons dominance theory, dominance reduction theory & their Alpha dog concept, I dont & cannot make an opinion on what I have not seen.

1. APDT John Fisher – “Dominance reduction program”
Dog names, health, and news!: The Harmony Program - Energy Healing For Animals

2. APBC Publication - John RogersonThe Dominant Dog
Amazon.com: The Dominant Dog: John Rogerson: Video

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