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Old 10-09-2011, 06:06 PM
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Thumbs up Got dog trainer in for my puppy!

I have had problems with my puppy, different issues leading to problems with my other dogs who started to fight.....

I was at my wit's end and decided to call out a dog trainer NOW while it was early days and before the issues got progressively worse which would mean even more problems to undo.

The trainer came out today! unbelieveable! He stopped my puppy's tantrums by showing ME how to deal with her, she is now in a crate in a room with a baby gate so she can still view what is going on.. he showed me how to stop her biting me and attacking my other dogs..

Now I seem to have the skills to control my puppy and unstress my other dogs I have had the best afternoon... with peace and calm...

I have had so much help off this forum ( grandad & rottifan ) and many of the tips people have shared with me the trainer agreed with but actually showed me WHEN to inforce them, right down to the tone of my voice...

Yes it is only day 1.... many to go but my goodness what a change in feeling in the house...

I have to start by getting all 3 dogs walking together on a lead but using a gentle leader lead........ 70% of the walks must be on the lead the rest off apart from the puppy just yet..... and if any one has a pulling dog this certainly stops all that nonsense. By using this method I am showing the dogs I am the boss and I am in control of them NOT them of me... therefore I am the top dog in the house and out of the house. respect!

When the puppy bites me or barks at the dogs I am to stop her immediately by picking her up my the scruff ( slight support under her bottom ) until she calms down, this I can see when her tail goes under her bottom and she relaxes ( it is what her mother would do when puppy gets naughty ) after trying this out 4 times I have not had one bite in 5 hours which believe me is amazin.. by stopping the puppy barking at the other dogs it prevents one dog from reacting to the puppy and then stops the older dog from telling the other dog off for having a go at the puppy.... all before anyone gets stressed.

Simple tips but so effective when you know how... The trainer will be back in the week and once a week until I am happy, so at the moment I can only highly recommend anyone to get in a trainer if you feel out of your depths.

Many thanks from a much happier owner and more important happier doggies
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i was thrilled to read this UNTIL i got to here...
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He stopped my puppy's tantrums by showing ME how to deal with her...
he showed me how to stop her biting me and attacking my other dogs..

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By using this method I am showing the dogs I am the boss & I am in control of them NOT them of me...
therefore I am the top dog in the house and out of the house.
Respect!

When the puppy bites me or barks at the dogs I am to stop her immediately by picking her up
by the scruff... until she calms down, this I can see when her tail goes under her bottom & she relaxes
(it's what her mother would do when puppy gets naughty)
after trying this out 4 times
I have not had one bite in 5 hours which believe me is amazing..
SNIP

The trainer will be back in the week & once a week until I am happy...
that is precisely the sort of dreadful advice i might expect from some trumped-up bully on a playground,
NOT a legitimate trainer of any sort whatever.

is he an APDT-uk member?
is he a member of ANY certifying organization?
has he taken an exam on learning theory & passed it?

i would strongly suggest re-thinking allowing this man to, IMO, abuse Ur puppy, weekly -
and teaching U to do the same with a puffery of rationalizing twaddle. BITCHES SCRUFF PUPS
IN ORDER TO CARRY NEONATES, not to 'punish' older, mobile puppies.

no-one that i saw suggested anything like this in prior posts; this man is a nightmare come to life.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:21 PM
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Re: Got dog trainer in for my puppy!

I also have a behavourist seeing to Murphy and also gave me a big talk on respect and the leadership role and how to maintain it, something that a lot of people don't seem to agree on or believe anymore. Before i chose this guy i contacted a few from the APDT site that was provided when i first became involved with this site, well talk about mess around. Out of several that i contacted, three replied, One was 'full', One wouldn't even see him as because of his breed and the other never got back to me to arrange a date (strangely after explaining my problem). I found the guy i have now through another website and experience far out classes qualifications anyday in my books. I really don't think picking a puppy up by the scruff of its neck hurts the puppy, the puppy will go limp and relax as she would when mum is picking her up.
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:38 PM
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I really don't think picking a puppy up by the scruff of its neck hurts the puppy, the puppy will go limp and relax as she would when mum is picking her up.
Are you a dog?
I don't think so. So why you are pretending be one of them? Dogs know different. You aren't puppy mum, you don't have that knowledge in yours genes.

But if you are a dog...

This part I will keep for myself
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Old 10-09-2011, 09:43 PM
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Are you a dog?
I don't think so. So why you are pretending be one of them? Dogs know different. You aren't puppy mum, you don't have that knowledge in yours genes.

But if you are a dog...

This part I will keep for myself
Wow another nasty piece of work surfaces! And how am i pretending to be a dog? What a weird comment!
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Re: Got dog trainer in for my puppy!

I can't believe that people are still peddling this damaging nonsense!

I also find it miond boggling that people think "years of experience" outdoes proper qualifications. I'm fairly certain these same people would prefer to be treated by a doctor/dentist/nurse with proper qualifications rather than "years of experience".

I feel very sorry for this little pup. I don't know very much about dog training, but I'd think his "going limp and putting his tail between his legs" is a sign of extreme fear.

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I really don't think picking a puppy up by the scruff of its neck hurts the puppy, the puppy will go limp and relax as she would when mum is picking her up.
This is imitate a dog behaviour. As well as picking a dog up by the scruff. to punish him.

So how you can name it when you are try to act as a dog?
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I think perhaps this is a wind up (at least I hope so).
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I can't believe that people are still peddling this damaging nonsense!
Damaging? It does no damage as this is how a mother would pick a pup up.

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I also find it miond boggling that people think "years of experience" outdoes proper qualifications. I'm fairly certain these same people would prefer to be treated by a doctor/dentist/nurse with proper qualifications rather than "years of experience".
25 years experience in police and guide dogs out does some jumped up newbie who thinks they know everything, yet won't dare touch something they deem to be out of control!

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I feel very sorry for this little pup. I don't know very much about dog training, but I'd think his "going limp and putting his tail between his legs" is a sign of extreme fear.
A pup will do the same limp status when the mother picks a pup up.

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This is imitate a dog behaviour. As well as picking a dog up by the scruff. to punish him.

So how you can name it when you are try to act as a dog?
When i start picking pups up with my teeth and crawling around on all fours i will agree to that lol
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When i start picking pups up with my teeth and crawling around on all fours i will agree to that lol
I know person who said that his correcting touch is for a dog as a correcting snap...
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