I made reference on anotherthread yesterday about a dog trainer being fined.
for those of you who are interested here is the link! (hope it works)
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sue

Dog trainer is fined for yanking puppy by throat (From Warrington Guardian)

I actually went to this trainer and walked out. I went in with my rescue 8 month old pup.
She was scared of everything and anybodyand had a very horrid first few months by the way she behaved, as soon as we got sat down he came over to talk to me and said."you can get that collar off that dog" I said Pardon. He then went on to say i needed to have a choke chain on my dog before i could train with them. At the time i had a half check which is a collar that makes a clicking noise when pulled but does not choke the dog in any way.
I am afraid that my dog was not agressive or too big to handle and i was not going to subject her to being yanked about by such a hideous thing.

Since i have been dog training myself i realise that its a power thing with him and its quicker and easier to get the dog to submit to pain.

I walked out of there and never went back, got my money back too.

I went to another trainer who showed me ways to train her without yanking her neck every two mins. She turned out to be the best dog ever and i miss her dearly

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He said the dog was going to bite him. It should have

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Choke chains on puppys ????

Firstly in his defense, Who would have thought a choke chain could do such damage, I can only imagine it was so bad due to the type of dog having loose skin around that area, but I'm only guessing at that.

After saying that, I don't agree with using choke chains, I don't think they work very well. If you were teaching a trick, you wouldn't even think about tightening a chain around the dogs neck for getting it wrong. Whats the difference? Reward training works so much better, The dog gets in the correct position, and get rewarded and soon learns.

There are plenty of trainers out there that think they can bully a dog into submit ion. Well probably you can, but you then have a subdued dog acting out of fear rather than a dog thats enjoying life and responding to your commands much faster because he wants to, because its fun, because he gets rewarded.
The only time i think force might be the correct way forward is with dealing with aggression, and even then, I certainly wouldn't be using a choke chain.

[QUOTE=Shane;336056]Firstly in his defense, Who would have thought a choke chain could do such damage,



ME. lol

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Ummmm - pardon!!!!!! Shane -

There is a pet shop in Sutton on Sea (Lincs) The owners I have much admiration off - They will NOT sell choke chains - the reason - Not many [people know how to use them correctly!
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sue

Has anyone seen the new collars that they use in some places.

They are a metal collar with spikes on the inside, when the dog pulls the spikes inside open up. Im suprised that trainer had not changed to them recently.

We had a dog come in with one on at training. We were all horrified and made them remove it.

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Yeah I've seen em - can't remember the proper name BUT cesar Millan has recently released on that works on the same principle - not quite so gashtly looking but not one I would want to use.
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sue