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Old 23-06-2011, 06:47 PM
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Arrow OT diversion: chasing as a problem-behavior in herding breeds, Premack

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I got my GSD from the police... originally... as a foster... she was on their breeding programme.
...failed the training to work when... younger... After... nearly a year they decided to stop the breeding programme.
The dogs were then sold onto the fosterers... i believe the majority of the fosterers kept their dogs.

When i got her she had no recall whatsoever.... i have [spent] the last few years working on it with a trainer.
I'd say it's now... 95% there, but once she [sees] something, she's gone - ...chase... kicks-in, & there's
no stopping her
- so i rarely have her off lead (apart from the garden etc).
try using Premack to get her to return - if U ALLOW her to chase as a reward for 'wait', 'halt', 'DROP [down]', etc,
it can be extremely effective.

here is a simple example -
YouTube - ‪CU: Snap demos relaxing on mat and off-switch game‬‏

that is Snap, a terrierrrist, being marked / clicked & rewarded for RELAXING on a mat - notice she gets quite
picky, marking soft blinky-eyes & even a STILL tail [not wagging] - his reward is to kill the fake-foxtail
on the flirt pole.

YouTube - ‪CU,control unleashed‬‏

Control Unleashed is the book, the author is Leslie McDevitt, a colleague - if the local-library
does not have their own copy, they can borrow from another library.

more on Premack -
YouTube - ‪premack‬‏

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the DogTrainer's quick & dirty tips are especially good.
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Old 23-06-2011, 10:56 PM
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Re: scent-discrimination: identical twins, research w/k9s

[QUOTE=leashedForLife;1061189203]hey, Guy!

here's one for ya -
ScienceShot: Police Dogs Can Distinguish Identical Twins - ScienceNOW

It certainly sounds good but i'm sure there will be much scrutiny before it is accepted as fact.

I would imagine that there would always be differences from environmental factors, food, illness etc. They may share the same genes but they are two individuals and since conception there will have been differences no matter how small.

It would appear on the face of it that the dogs can tell the difference and it just shows that our understanding of what they are capable of is still incomplete. Interesting stuff!
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Re: OT diversion: chasing as a problem-behavior in herding breeds, Premack

[QUOTE=leashedForLife;1061189411]try using Premack to get her to return - if U ALLOW her to chase as a reward for 'wait', 'halt', 'DROP [down]', etc,
it can be extremely effective.

This is good advice. This is one of the methods I use to get a solid recall.

From the dogs point of view, being recalled is often a negative punishment as you are denying them the thrill of chasing, playing etc. If over used the recall can have a very frustrative effect and will result in failure.

By rewarding the dog by allowing it to continue to play, chase or do whatever it was intent on doing then the recall may be viewed as a temporary interruption rather than the negative punishment it could be.

The secret to using mainly positive reinforcement in training is to find ways to make the dog want to perform the task you want it to do. This is in contrast to more punitive approaches where you would seek to punish unwanted behaviour.

I've just posted a new article on my site if you like the sound of what i'm saying.The (very) basics of a good recall « Positive Police Dogs
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The secret to using mainly positive reinforcement in training is to find ways to make the dog want to perform the task you want it to do. This is in contrast to more punitive approaches where you would seek to punish unwanted behaviour.

I've just posted a new article on my site if you like the sound of what i'm saying.The (very) basics of a good recall « Positive Police Dogs
Just watched the video on that link. Brilliant! I did man work training with a collie and a weimaraner I used to have years ago and a good reliable recall was mandatory before training for it was given. We taught and proofed recalls using praise and reward only as well and had such responsive dogs as a result.
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Old 27-06-2011, 07:28 PM
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Thumbs up wow, nice recall!...

great video! i'd have enjoyed it even more if it had been shot so that Mr Critic in the rear was visible
as the camera panned with the dog returning, i'd have loved to see his reaction to an intensely-aroused
Maligator... steaming straight at him!
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