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Talking VID: Naked training! :-D

YouTube - ‪Naked_Dog_Training‬‏
"Reward-based trainers do it naked!"[service-mark]


the dog is naked - or the horse, parrot, elephant, coatimundi, chimpanzee, dolphin...
not necessarily the human, U smutty-minded salacious bipedal beasts... gracious, U lot.


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Talking MORE Naked training! :-D

Naked dog training - Orlando Dog Training and Behavior | Examiner.com
from my buddy & colleague, Leah Roberts in Florida...
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Re: VID: Naked training! :-D

I've trained 'naked' since the beginning. It forces the trainer to think about how to motivate the dog in a world competing for his attention.
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Re: VID: Naked training! :-D

Not sure about the name of this training!

Seems like this qualifies YouTube - BC - Super Tug Game 2 - Used To Play & Train
Most of my training this year has been off leash with 1 or more dogs about.

I do heel work on leash along roads when I want to occupy his high revving mind and it does reduce appeal of distractions.
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Question not so sure about this one...

they use some disquieting phrases, hmmm.
School of the Naked Dog- Less Leash, More Control

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Can you take off your dog's collar and still have him under voice control?
Dogs don't naturally behave the way we want them to behave; they must learn to adjust to a human environment.
When we train, we aren't looking to end up with a spit-and-polish dog who obeys our every command with military
precision but rather, to establish leadership & promote respectful submission by using the things they like
to do as reinforcement for things we want them to do. Set the rules and they will follow most of them & be rewarded.
what do U think? I'm getting some pack-theory vibes, i dunno. Definite misgivings.

* i never suggest taking off an ID-collar, just in case: tags can save lives & worry.
a flat tag can slide on, clamp, rivet, or have sharp hooks to be hammered down; it's super-safe,
no dangling ring to hook or hang-up, no noisy jingle, but it's there.

* teaching one's dog to see collar grabs as great fun, not scary & not as preludes to scolding,
is another potential lifesaver - a total stranger can reach for their collar, & they're bright-eyed & relaxed,
no worries, no ducking, & especially! no defensive snapping.
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Re: not so sure about this one...

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what do U think? I'm getting some pack-theory vibes, i dunno. Definite misgivings
I actually think that as the typical dog owners, know they have to be pack leaders and interpret their dog listening to them as "respect", that we should embrace the language. I think a mission to change the public's use of word "pack" would be futile. Being a positive leader, leads to "devoted dog" that focusses on you. People see it in packs of working dogs and call that dog "pack leader" and when they see dogs doing same with you, they say "pack leader!".

"establish leadership & promote respectful submission", is the same as dog eagerly listening & enjoying being obedient through conditioning.

So personally rather than worry about those words, I'd look at what they're actually doing. It's same as hearing ppl talk tough about pack leader, but actually see they're treating their dogs in considerate ways and are relying on positive training really, but without having bought into softer sounding schoools of thought.

In other words, actions speak louder than words. If they're advocating postive reinforcement and off leash training, why worry about PC language?
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If they're advocating postive reinforcement & off leash training, why worry about PC language?
erm - the only clue that i have re their training methods or tools is their links page & library.
the only "whisperer" there is Paul Owens, which is good - but i haven't a clue what they do.
i can only hope - so i'm hoping.
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Re: VID: Naked training! :-D

Hmmm School of the Naked Dog - Kinderpuppy is claimed to be endorsed by Dr Iain Dunbar and sounds very much like his recent practice. School of the Naked Dog - Life Skills mentions clicker training.

I really think, positive trainers should be emphatic that well trained dog, enjoys your leadership, trusts you, listens and is obedient and generally well behaved. People notice and give those compliments. Similarly offering a correction strategy (like Dunbar does) or the page on correction I've linked to a few times, matters. Nature abhors a vacuum. Fill it with sound thought out stuff, rather than leave it to chance.

By eschewing words like effective leadership, respect, it allows so called balanced trainers to appeal to peoples orderly instincts, and they sound plausible. It's only if you understand the learning theory and extinction, which ppl don't that, you understand why & how things work. To common man, the balanced idea is inherently more plausible.

Recently I had a "Uni. Professor of Psychology" rant at me, about him "knowing" that punishment is necessary, similarly on forum there was someone railing against 60's social workers and saying similar. The guy's dog, actually shows signs of this philosophy not working ie his timing is wrong. He also had a right go, about Premack ideas, where the dog has access to or is doing something already and you briefly interrupt it. Claims it's invalid, because "if a child has a Mars bar, then offering it one you hold instead, doesn't work". I think problem of using Human concepts & not adapting them sufficiently to the short time window of a dog.

After all, I know from WSD training material that the way to teach a dog to be happy to "Stop!" is to briefly stop it, then immediately encourage it to continue herding & run, which is what it wants to do (similarly Tug of Peace & Super Tug game). So I see recall, rewarded by excited praise & a swift happy send away, "the check in", as being effective technique in similar way. The pet learns just like the WSD that obeying swiftly, is the best way to continue doing what it wants; that pausing is not "bad", just like surrendering an object up is not.
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