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ClaireandDaisy · #11 (**permalink**) 29-05-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SleepyBones

You need to be very careful about hiring in any of these behaviourists, there are no recognised working qualifications for it,

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um... not actually true.....

COAPE - Centre of Applied Pet Ethology
Compass Education and Training
The Cambridge Institute of Dog Behaviour & Training providing Middlesex University accredited canine behaviour and dog training courses
teh there`s Bishop Burton, APDT etc of course.

The venom in your post leads me to wonder.........

Sled dog hotel · #12 (**permalink**) 29-05-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SleepyBones

You need to be very careful about hiring in any of these behaviourists, there are no recognised working qualifications for it, anyone can set up as a behaviourist, if they have an O level in salmon spawning, cooking or billiard playing (its a behaviour) they can call themselves a fully qualified behaviourist, its perfectly legal. Most make up their own courses, pass them & call it a qualification, that’s also perfectly legal.

The largest behaviourist organisation, APBC, is 21 years old and has had all that time to establish and prove itself and its members that pet owners have found it beneficial to themselves and their pets and well worth buying a course from one of them. Well the figures prove pet owners have found it an abysmal failure, they avoid that and other behaviourist organisations like the plague.

In the 21 years of APBC's existence& with a Bristol uni estimated 10.5 million UK dog population, making 10.5 million potential behaviouist clients, the largest behaviourist organisation is now down to only 49 members in all the 4 countries of the UK, it even blatantly describes itself as ‘international’, well guess what, also in the 21 years of its existence it only has a total of >14< other members in the whole world.

So after 21 years of commercially trying to sell its services as an international organisation only a total of 63 people around the world have managed to find some occasional part time employment by pet owners who took a chance & employed them, those figures, for occasional part time work, over that time period are a huge statement by pet owners as to the value of these unqualified bunch calling themselves ‘behaviourists’

I recommend you watch these youtube vids of users feedback about them, at the end of the day its users who have the experience of what’s beyond the advertising gloss and they are the ones who have the real life stories to tell &, in this case, tears to dry & bank managers to plead to.

Users behaviourist feedback
YouTube - ‪APBC Member Killed Pet Dog, Association of Pet Behaviour Counsellors, The Death Squad‬&rlm;

Dog Dies in behaviourist treatment
YouTube - ‪APBC, Dog Dies In 'Association Of Pet Behaviour Counsellors' Treatment Program‬&rlm;

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The Behaviourists who you should be careful of CAPBT COAPE Assoc. of Pet Behaviourists and Trainers you mean?

The ones whos membership is solely by qualification only?

The one whos members have to pass the Centre of Applied Pet Ethologys inependantly NOCN Accredited Diplomas in practical Animal Behaviour and Traning? and if you dont you cant be a member?

The one who if you are disatified with the Practioner, you can report to the governing body much as you can with a vet to the MRCVS?

The One whos courses can be residential or by correspondence in some cases?

The One whos courses are continually updated and expanded with the latest scientific knowledge as it becomes available?

The one whos Year 1 Stage 1 is a residential course taught over one whole academic year? which you have to pass before going on the year 2 stage 2 further courses?

Must admit they do sound like a really Micky mouse Bunch!!

tripod · #13 (**permalink**) 29-05-2011, 01:09 PM

SDH I think SB is referring to my recommendation to APBC

There is an obvious vendetta there as if that needs to be said

- a discussion I will not be goaded into

All that in reference to CAPBT can be said for APBC except that APBC are independent of any educational institutions unlike CAPBT who work with COAPE.
They both have strict entry requirements, continued education requirements, a strict code of practice and members are answerable and accountable which is the most important thing.
As has been said on this forum many a time, quals and/or memberships are useful for pet owners to narrow the field and generate a shortlist - but its still buyer beware and an in-depth selection process should be put in place. Again, this about a dogs and babys future and safety here.

But SB is correct in saying that there are no legislative or industry requirements (yet, its coming) as regards the use of terms such as trainer, behaviourist etc. That is why groups with such strict requirements are so important. Good point to highlight

There is an entire thread in relation to choosing a behaviour professional on this very forum too

SleepyBones · #14 (**permalink**) 29-05-2011, 01:15 PM

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Claire & Daisey
The Cambridge Institute of Dog Behaviour & Training providing Middlesex University accredited canine behaviour and dog training courses

If you think the principle who runs that one course will sing praises of hope and glory to APBC, C.O.A.P.E, or APDT or any body related to them then you have not done your research very well at all.

Sir Colin Tennant is the principle of that course. He is a member of The Guild Of Dog Trainers set up only 3 years ago in 2008 out of serious concern currently expressed by large numbers of trainers about the unprecedented, vast numbers of perfectly healthy, but, unmanagable dogs over this past decade, most ending up in rescue & PTS in a week.

The Guild Of Dog Trainers is the only one which is unique but to equate them with any other accreditation body is a folly of cataclysmic proportions. I personally wish The Guild Of Dog Trainers luck in quest and strivings to reverse the damage done to dogs over this past decade by those ‘positive training’ organizations members who have sweetalked pet owners into the biggest single cannine welfare disaster of all time, every rescue in the country is bursting at the seams with unmanageable dogs as a result.

Sarah Muncke, Chiltern Rescue, is another member of new GODT, she has the tone of utter despair in her short article on the GODT related site

Colin Tennant ‘The Copy & Past Society’.

In this article what Colin refers to as “that organization” is APDT
The Guild of Dog Trainers - Dog Training, Dog Training and Behaviour, Dog Training Courses, Dog Behaviour Courses

Sarah Muncke Chiltern Rescue
Trained For Life | Articles on Dog Behaviour

The Guild Of Dog Trainers
The Guild of Dog Trainers - Dog Training, Dog Training and Behaviour, Dog Training Courses, Dog Behaviour Courses
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SleepyBones · #15 (**permalink**) 29-05-2011, 01:47 PM

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SDH I think SB is referring to my recommendation to APBC

Well lets face it, one of their (APBC) 'scientists' has elevated the behavioural sciences & Bristol University into so much disrepute it ends up as a Google P1 name search top international cartoon, hardly something to be recomended to pet owners IMO.

A behavioural Science study, video peer reveiw
YouTube - ‪No2. Bristol University, Bringing Science Into Disrepute With Dr Rachel Casey, Peer Reveiw.‬&rlm;

Google P1
dogs dr rachel casey - Google Search

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lymorelynn · #16 (**permalink**) 29-05-2011, 02:01 PM

Could we not have these arguments over different institutions and help the OP with some practical solutions. Thank you

Sled dog hotel · #17 (**permalink**) 29-05-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SleepyBones

Sir Colin Tennant is the principle of that course. He is a member of The Guild Of Dog Trainers set up only 3 years ago in 2008 out of serious concern currently expressed by large numbers of trainers about the unprecedented, vast numbers of perfectly healthy, but, unmanagable dogs over this past decade, most ending up in rescue & PTS in a week.

The Guild Of Dog Trainers is the only one which is unique but to equate them with any other accreditation body is a folly of cataclysmic proportions. I personally wish The Guild Of Dog Trainers luck in quest and strivings to reverse the damage done to dogs over this past decade by those ‘positive training’ organizations members who have sweetalked pet owners into the biggest single cannine welfare disaster of all time, every rescue in the country is bursting at the seams with unmanageable dogs as a result.

Oh so now the "Positive training Organisations Members" are singlehandedly responsible for the "canine welfare disaster of all time" Every rescue in the country is bursting at the seems with Unmanageable dogs"

Dogs Trust cared for 15,886 dogs in 2009, 13,090 were rehomed.
They cared for 16,238 dogs in 2008, 14,169 were rehomed.
Total number of KC registered pups last year was not far short of 250,000
thats without the number un-registered and BYBs PFs etc.etc.
The Dire amount of dogs in rescues is caused by bad and over breeding, the
current economic climate, Dogs bought on a whim with no prior research, marriage break ups, loss of property and many other reasons.

Sorry sleepy the main affliation that you have with dogs is what comes out the opposite end to what the food goes in!!!!

Sled dog hotel · #18 (**permalink**) 29-05-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lymorelynn

Could we not have these arguments over different institutions and help the OP with some practical solutions. Thank you

Advice has been given in good faith trying to give valid helpful advice, by several members, giving links to find qualified help. The arguments would not ensue were it not for the "odd" member trying to descredit the advice given in their usual inflammatory manner.

ClaireandDaisy · #19 (**permalink**) 29-05-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SleepyBones

If you think the principle who runs that one course will sing praises of hope and glory to APBC, C.O.A.P.E, or APDT or any body related to them then you have not done your research very well at all. .......
The Guild Of Dog Trainers is the only one which is unique but to equate them with any other accreditation body is a folly of cataclysmic proportions..........., every rescue in the country is bursting at the seams with unmanageable dogs as a result.
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You are not an arbiter of Dog Trainers or a Fount of Wisdom. Neither am I.
Slagging me off and writing rubbish such as the highlighted text simply clouds the issue.
You obviously have a personal vendetta against the APBC, and it is extremely off-putting to people seeking help to bring your own personal issues into it.

RobD-BCactive · #20 (**permalink**) 29-05-2011, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sled dog hotel

Sorry sleepy the main affliation that you have with dogs is what comes out the opposite end to what the food goes in!!!!

Yes!

When weighing advice you might like to check out other posts by the person involved. This one is etched on my mind when discussing obedience competitions run by the Kennel Club :

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Originally Posted by RobD-BCactive

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Originally Posted by SleepyBones

I don’t know those things or even if KC has anything formal beyond hobby sort of event OB

If you don't know, I really wonder about your qualifications and experience.
Everyone I thought knew something about KC high level obedience comps like Crufts!!

If you read other posts, searching for words like scam, you will see a conspiracy theorist, long on accusations but short on substance. Another regular ploy is posting links to videos, defaming scientists at Bristol University.

In Other Words, ignore SleepyBones completely, he's a crank.

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