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Old 21-05-2011, 06:31 PM
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To similar to ignore?

dogs are greagarious......so are wolves.
Dogs like social structure...so do wolves.
99.9% DNA shared between dogs and wolves.
Body language................similar
body posturing...............similar
Wolf packs and dogs within families.......strong social structure?
1937. E.Dahr........ratio of snout length to upper jaw....similar
1965..Scott & Fuller. investigated 90 behaviour patterns in the domestic dog, all but 19 of them were present in the wolf.
Scent marking a territory..........please explain. Is it because it is instinctual?
Phantom pregnancy? Please explain. Is it because there is a need to procude milk for the young offspring?
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Re: To similar to ignore?

You need to factor in environmental influences on behaviour etc.
A wolf is a wild animal and exhibits the survival traits of a wild animal.
A dog has been selectively bred and treated as an companion animal
As can be seen from the Fox breeding experiment https://johnwade.ca/attachments/arti...xfarmstudy.pdf behaviour and appearance are affected by external influences.
If you don`t believe me, compare the difference in getting milk from a Jersey cow and a Bison.
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Re: To similar to ignore?

we evolved from chimps does that mean we should go into a zoo?

flogging a dead horse i think.
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Re: To similar to ignore?

Humans show more social similarities to ants than any other living creature.
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Re: To similar to ignore?

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we evolved from chimps does that mean we should go into a zoo?
No - but I have considered that my neighbours children warrant a permanent stay in a zoo.

Scent marking for territory is common amongst many group based species.
Phantom pregnancies resulting in milk production can be seen as just a glitch in the normal endocrine/oestrus cycle in single dogs.
In a group however this could be seen as a means to ensuring the survival of the fittest in that the 'top bitch aka the fittest' has the lead on producing pups and with groups of females together coming into oestrus together it would only be natural for them to progress to phantom pregnancies together. Whilst this is common in dogs/wolves it has been known to occur in humans, and we can all site cases of natural synchronisation of women in offices for those not on chemical manipulation (the pill).
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we evolved from chimps does that mean we should go into a zoo?

flogging a dead horse i think.
Scent marking a territory..........please explain. Is it because it is instinctual?
Phantom pregnancy? Please explain. Is it because there is a need to procude milk for the young offspring?
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No - but I have considered that my neighbours children warrant a permanent stay in a zoo.

Scent marking for territory is common amongst many group based species.
Phantom pregnancies resulting in milk production can be seen as just a glitch in the normal endocrine/oestrus cycle in single dogs.
In a group however this could be seen as a means to ensuring the survival of the fittest in that the 'top bitch aka the fittest' has the lead on producing pups and with groups of females together coming into oestrus together it would only be natural for them to progress to phantom pregnancies together. Whilst this is common in dogs/wolves it has been known to occur in humans, and we can all site cases of natural synchronisation of women in offices for those not on chemical manipulation (the pill).
Thank you for sticking to the questions.
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Humans show more social similarities to ants than any other living creature.
Wasn't the answer I was looking for..........but made me smile
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Re: To similar to ignore?

Dogs are perpetual adolescent wolves. Dogs development is arrested at the juvenile stage in a wolf, except they are fully sexually active. If you want to compare dogs to wolves then don't compare them to the adult wolf you need to look at the young juvenile wolf, then take into consideration thousands of years of domestication...and they are similar, but oh so different.
Much of what a dog does is governed by hormones, the same hormones at work in a wolf, hence the scent marking and phantom pregnancy...but dogs don't really know what to do with them, I like the analogy of a dog being a constant 11year old child in development terms but driven by sex
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Re: To similar to ignore?

So the fundamental question is are dogs like Wolves, and the answer is yes compared to other animals.

But, given the selection and domesticiation, when we think about dogs, does it make more sense to think about dogs, or wolves?

The answer is, dogs is dogs so obviously forget the wolf bit.

Even if dogs are regarded as a sub-species of Wolves, given the abundance of dogs and the relative rarity and poor understanding of wolves, what sense does it make to refer to the wild animal in the wilderness, rather than the one living in our homes and streets?
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