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Old 28-04-2011, 04:05 PM
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Red face Teddy leaks, sometimes, when things are exciting

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Got to try [ignoring on return] - Teddy goes nuts when anyone comes in and still occasionally dribbles...
Sounds like a good plan. Wish I could get my 10 year old granddaughter to do it too, mind you.
leash the grand-daughter. & give her ONE chocolate if she manages to contain herself:
no squealing, no running, don't bend to pet or touch him, pretend Teddy is not there - just don't tread on him
it's possible to carry 'pretend he's not there...' too far.
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Old 28-04-2011, 04:30 PM
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Re: microbes; anatomy; age; soft-natured...

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* kicking him won't help; in fact, even SCOLDING will make it worse
* it's not a 'habit' yet, but anger or disapproval will create a feedback loop - he leaks, U scold, he leaks more...
* this is involuntary on his part - he is not 'choosing' to do this

step 1: eliminate any possibility this may be a low-grade or chronic infection,
and/or anatomical problem: vet, vet, vet.

just a simple peek under a scope for bugs may not find a chronic problem - culturing his urine may show
what's causing the problem.
anatomically, it could be bladder adhesions, a tilted bladder that retains urine in a pocket even when it's 'empty',
a narrowing of the ureter, gravel in the urine [not likely at his age, but...], or any of a number of other quirks.


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step 2: for now, put a belly-band on him at all times indoors; only take it off when he is outside to toilet.
they are inexpensive, & simple to use. An all-cotton one with fully-enclosed elastic is best, as he won't get a rash
from a hydrocarbon elastic or synthetic fabric in tender areas. wash & dry it before use: brand-new fabric
often contains sizing or dirt repellents, which again can trigger rashes in tender places. Oh - No fabric-softener,
no perfume-y dryer-sheets, just like a baby's clothing.
belly-bands are lined with cheap peel-&-press pads, sold in any grocery or pharmacy; use unscented pads
with no deodorant, since the liner is changed every time it is damp OR at the minimum, once every 24-hours even if dry,
it's not going to have time to get smelly [except to a dog's nose].

step 3: if this is simply immaturity & lack of muscle tone [the sphincter muscle], he will simply outgrow it.

step 4: unlikely but possible: if he is a very soft-natured dog, this may be his lifelong state.
if there is absolutely nothing wrong with his anatomy, & he has ZERO nasty microbes in cultured urine,
and he is 6-mos-old or 9-mos-old & still leaks when he gets excited, this may just be his soft nature.
remember it is involuntary - he has no more control over it than U do over blinking: it happens.

step 5: just in case, IF it is his 'soft nature', there may be meds to help; polypropanolamine [sic?] may be one,
or there may be others, but that is a vet matter - so ask the vet when U go to get his urine & anatomy
checked-out.

the critical thing is Not to Scold, Punish, or even look angry -
if it becomes a feedback loop: he leaks, U get cross, he leaks more...
it will be much harder to fix, since it will be again, involuntary:
dribbling urine is a SUBMISSIVE signal from a puppy to an adult,
& when the first signal fails, his worry will cause another leak.
that's why the belly-band is so important: it's a non-event.
U won't even know if he leaked until U check the pad, outside.
no wet floors, no odor, nothing to tread-in & carry onto the carpet...
all good!


make all arrivals very low-key: don't talk to him, just come in, set down anything in Ur hands, & take him out.
greet him AFTER the belly-band is off & AFTER he's voided & run about a bit - very casual, quiet voice, warmly.
excited, squealy voices can trigger a leak - so can loud voices, so shouting hello to the neighbor 2 gardens down
is not suggested; wave & smile warmly, instead.

**** are there children in the house? if so & they are under 10-YO, all of this will be much harder -
training young children NOT to rush in the door & squeal, "oh, Poppy, we MISSED U so..." is hard.
the puppy is easier. much easier. ****


belly-bands velcro closed - be sure to close the velcro & safety-pin it shut, when U wash the belly-band,
otherwise it traps lint & the velcro becomes useless. Good luck - hopefully it is a minor chronic infection,
or just his youth; treatment will fix one, & time will fix the other.

he sounds like a very sweet puppy - soft pups who leak often have lovely natures.
Are belly bands the same as what we British call nappies and the Americans call diapers. I didn't know these were available for dogs. Are they for sale in th UK and whihc outlets sell them?
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Old 28-04-2011, 04:44 PM
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Lightbulb one model, just to give an idea...

i am not recommending this brand, as i have not checked to see if they are all-cotton, nor if the elastic
is fully-enclosed - this is purely to give an idea -
Belly Bands for Boy Dogs

they can be as obvious or as refined as U like - neon, patterns, subtle solids, whatever.
one huge advantage of a belly-band is that after he has been out to potty [on a leash, not alone - so U KNOW
what he produced if anything, how much of it, & if he strained, there was any trace of blood, diarrhea, etc],
then he can be on the carpet to play or keep company with the folks, & practice house manners.

without it, leaky pups are confined to easy-clean floors.
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Old 28-04-2011, 07:04 PM
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Re: Excited Wee-wee's

my dad's boxer still does it and he's 7.
We have to egnore him for aaaages before we can greet him. He kind of crouches down on his back legs....even does it outside.
They haven't had him from a pup you see so we don't know how things were before...pretty stressful for him I think.
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Re: microbes; anatomy; age; soft-natured...

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* kicking him won't help; in fact, even SCOLDING will make it worse
Did you really think she literally was hoping to kick the dog, sheesh - I sincerely hope that you were quoting her 'tongue in cheek'
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Old 01-05-2011, 10:22 AM
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Re: Excited Wee-wee's

Our dog Effy used to wee each time someone came to our house to visit, or when she met other dogs on a walk (she's very submissive). There wasn't much we could do to stop the submissive peeing with other dogs, but if we had visitors we would ask them to be calm and ignore Effy until she was calm herself - then they could pet her. If we were returning to the house ourselves we would ignore her for 5 minutes so that we had calmed down before we fussed her. She is now 9 months and the peeing in the house has stopped - she still sometimes does the submissive peeing thing but this is reducing as well.

So for us it was a case of keeping the environment calm where possible, but also I think it has got better now that she is a bit older.
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