Some people don't know that they don't know.


As stated in the video, This is a change? From when? I've always expected dogs to be perfect. A very few are naturally but most need some training.

By whose standards? And if this is the case why is the dog wearing a head halter and having her shove treat after treat down its throat?

Then the video shows what looks like a police dog being trained in bite work. I'd bet the farm that this dog has not been to see a veterinary behaviorist? He's SUPPOSED to bite. Why on earth would anyone include this in a video about problem aggression?

No mention made of blood screening. What about aggression caused by chemical imbalances?

Translation: we make an educated guess and then pretend we know what to do. Problem is, if the guess is wrong, the treatment will be wrong.

Fairly common from this group. AVOID the issue. Again, this is management and it always breaks down.

Tell it to THESE DOGS. Still like this after four years.

YouTube - Remote Collar Features

U can skip the verbal, watch the dog: it takes over 5-mins before his ears both rise. [approx 5:10, again 5:24]
at 6:20 the dog gives himself permission to get out from between Ed's feet, & immediately body-parl changes.
what do U see?

First, the dog is lying directly under where the straps of the Ecollars and its lanyard are flopping around. THAT'S the reason for his ears lying down. He's not stimming the dog AT ALL during this video. And you're wrong in your statement they the dog's ears don't rise before 5 minutes have elapsed. They come up at 0:21, 0:23, 0:26, 1:16, 1:22, 1:32, 2:07, 2:20. And then I got bored.

There were many more "ear raises." Did you link the wrong video.

Again, isn't this supposed to be about aversives?

You completely missed the fact that at 6:15 the dog catches the scent of something that interests him and THAT is the reason that he moves out from between Mr. Frawley's feet. He can be seen sniffing around for a few seconds. His ears are up because he's trying to find the source of that scent AND the straps and lanyard are no longer tickling his ears.

I still remain open minded. I am willing to believe that technology has moved on and that the remote collar technology has moved on too.
After all we now have 3D & HD TV, remote controls for our TV, Sat Nav, Mobile phones, iphones, Blue ray, ipods, Laptops etc etc, which we didnt have 30-40 years ago.

I know they some of these collars can emit a beep to mark a behaviour/command (a beep, surely can't be inhumane, can it?)
However, from a beep to the next level, is what? A vibration? then a stronger vibration, until you get into the area of electrical impulses. And going from the beep to the electrical impulse is what? 5 levels, 10 levels, 20.......

And I for one would not like to see your work. Cruel imo

I love open minds! And you're right on target that technology has advanced tremendously. Why some people want to stay rooted in 50 year old technology is a mystery.

I'm sure that someone will complain about it.

There may be a unit that gives a beep, a vibe and then moves to stim but I'm not familiar with it. There is a relatively new brand on the market, Unleashed Technology, (I have no connection with the company) that offers a model that has vibe, a pause, and then either more vibe, or a stim (your choice depending on how you have it set and how you press the buttons). Lots of people like to use the vibe as a warning that comes before the stim. Some, however think it amounts to double commands which generally are not a good idea. During the teaching phase they may be useful however. UT offers 15 levels of stim and 15 levels of vibration. I think it's the only brand that has adjustable vibration and stim.

NO ONE who HAS SEEN IT has ever agreed with your assessment. And there have been thousands.

Lots of cruel people you know then imo

LOL. They include people from all walks of life. Police K−9 handlers, SAR workers, pet owners, People who work in and run rescue groups. People who train dogs for the blind. People who train dogs for all kinds of service work, therapy dogs, dogs for the disabled, etc.

Surely of the thousands, if you were right in thinking that my work was cruel AT LEAST ONE OF THEM would have said something. But you won't find any such comment anywhere. Lots of people have gone looking for such comments on the Net. No one has ever found it. That's because it's not there. OTOH if you do a search for the name of another Ecollar trainer who I have argued with at length you'll find MANY such comments so it's not like people are afraid to speak up. PM me if you want his name.

You are of course welcome to your opinion. But everyone should know that it's not based on any facts, just your opinion that the use of the tool is cruel. That's a logically unsound position. Tools are inanimate objects. They're neither nice nor cruel until they're picked up and used (or misused).