ART: "lots of energy expended re CM/DW, what about pervasive shock-collar use?" - Page 11

Lou Castle · #**101** (**permalink**) 27-04-2011, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble

Same problems here mate! but at least they have NOT been zombiefied! they still retain their spirit!

TELL ME WHERE THE ZOMBIE IS PLEASE.

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Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble

These men who use these collars have not trained their dogs! They have violated them!

THIS DOG SURE LOOKS TRAINED TO ME Notice his joy and exuberance. Can you show me where the ZOMBIE is in this video please?

OTOH, HERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD CLICKER WORK And this is the dog's FOURTH LESSON! Notice how good a time the dog is having. Now compare it to the Ecollar work shown in the video just above.

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Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble

Wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire myself! They are scum!

LOVE the name calling. Another illogical argument. You folks are only mediocre on the personal attacks compared to some other forums I've been on. But nice try! All you do with this is turn people against you. Keep it up.

SleepyBones · #**102** (**permalink**) 27-04-2011, 11:18 AM

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The long term zombiefying effects of ELECTRIC SHOCK COLLARS. The Zombie arises.

YouTube - E-Collar Trained Dog. Multiple Game Chase Recalls, Emergency Recall, Aggressive Incident Recall etc

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leashedForLife · #**103** (**permalink**) 27-04-2011, 03:03 PM

What to Look For in a Dog Trainer | Wooftown

notice the choke-chain, & more, it's a fine gauge: more slicing into skin, pulling hairs, etc, = more ouch!

thankfully, the copy is excellent.

notice there is No Mention recommending shock-collars?
or indeed, anything to cause pain, or the use of confrontation, coercion or flooding?
the author didn't 'forget' them; they are not recommended because they are often counterproductive.

leashedForLife · #**104** (**permalink**) 27-04-2011, 04:55 PM

How to Use a Remote Trainer for a Dog | eHow.com

BTW if U are on Facebook, there is an interesting discussion appended to this video-page.

Corinthian · #**105** (**permalink**) 27-04-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lou Castle

MORE rudeness and name calling. ANOTHER logically flawed argument. How typical of the anti−Ecollar crowd! ROFL

And BTW my methods don't use pain OR pain−inducing tools no matter how many times you say it.

What bothers me about people like you is the cowardice and intellectual dishonesty. You paint these techniques with euphemisms, minimizing, and lying about what you do. At least if you could admit to yourself that the stim from the e-collar hurts we could start having an honest discussion.

leashedForLife · #**106** (**permalink**) 27-04-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

You paint these techniques with euphemisms, minimizing, and lying about what you do.
At least if you could admit to yourself that the stim from the e-collar hurts we could start having an honest discussion.

if it felt "good" it would not be used as it is; the timing itself reveals the application.

one does not STIM a-k-a shock the dog after s/he does what we want... so it is not a reward.
the button is pushed when the dog does something we do Not want - chases a bunny vs hunts up the bumper,
barks at the passerby from the yard, etc.

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