I love my dogs so I WON'T be sticking that nasty old collar on them!

People can be such......(insert appropriate word here)

Love all the articles that have been posted - goes to show what good R+ really can do!

Just seen that awful thing ....is the company name supposed to be ironic??!

I know where he's coming from, Rob, and I know where he belongs

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Part 6: the final segment of Pepper's story, when John Visconti gets creative to tackle a highly-resistant phobia.
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*sigh* Half Check collars & loose lead training - "a stubborn, strong willed dog and he needs a firm hand"
OK not aggressive, but we've all heard this sort of thing out and about? This thread seemed like a better spot to discuss such dogs.

I take "stubborn" to mean, the dog doesnt' want to do what the handler would like. Would it be likely that such dogs, either don't understand, are distracted by something more rewarding, or were trained with rewards that were inappropriate, or do canines go on strike?

Should one say, show a sniffing dog "Who's Boss!" by loud reprimand, when you're frustrated and in a hurry?

again, people want the quick fix. Which I can understand because I can be a temperamental woman at times. BUT I would still prefer my dogs choose to work for me than to 'check' or 'coerce' them into doing something.

Nothing more satisfying than seeing a dog eager to train and performing brilliantly. And distractions are a big challenge for a trainer, so developing ways to keep your dogs focus and work through problems in a positive way just hones your skills and builds a much better relationship with your dog.

Well I have to say, I do at times force the dog, but when safety, animal welfare or consideration of others, is involved not my convenience. However I use the absolute minimum of force in the circumstances. Freddie has a mild car phobia, and avoids it, so for instance rather than drag him, he is gently carried from inside and placed in it, rather than "taint" the lead by association. I had to physically remove him away from a Choc Lab today, where the "Off!" command failed for first time and I could not distract him away onto a toy either.

I agree, when the dog doesn't respond, the way to learn, is to figure out why, observing & inquiring into all the factors, then thinking about it, and putting in place a strategy.

So on nice heel walking, I make sure he knows when he's "working", and when we're recreating. Dog exercise is his time for him, so if he has to sniff & mark, rather than walk along then most of time that's fine. We're not in any heelwork competition out in the local streets

PS. Pawsitive, I wonder if you have a fully automatic treat dispenser in that ball video, as I never saw a dog catch so much so quick, it looked like watching the trainers, demo-ing Sea Lions

In the spirit of reviving and promoting non-troll threads An update.

General progress

I checked the communication going on, and it was fine.

As any toy rotated out seems to become a "super toy" very highly valued, I've allowed more access (not less) whilst out to common toys. Thinking about it, after the litter mate's visit, and wishing to encourage play with other dogs I may have inadvertently increased the possessiveness.

So I've followed that logic, and allow carrying of a toy around more. He's seemed to be learning many of the other dogs jsut aren't very interested in his toy. Recently, he's begun dropping the toy and going to see what the other dog's up to. It's even happened with a tennis ball.

Obviously I'm taking care about the dogs who get near in the situation, and am ready to intervene should a warning growl be given and ignored.

Nice uplifting kikopup vid : YouTube - Training high drive dogs- clicker dog training

I note the Belgian Malinois is one of those security breeds featured in the Working & Bite sport thread.

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DT&B - Glossary of acronyms & jargon terms.
Encouraging good behaviours, whilst consistently avoiding practise of bad alternatives leads to extinction of the bad. So if dog sits 6/10 times it doesn't sit 4/10 times, encouraging with the right rewards (positively-reinforcing) enough for 9/10 times means it now fails to sit only 1/10 times, sit 10/10 means...

The explanation is now know to be "motivated reasoning" there's Terry's post linking to article In the persuasion game, beware the backfire effect explaining that observation (original thread was sabotaged & moved).

Collette's post somebody[ies?] on Vic Stilwell's crew got it WRONG; a form-letter won't make it RIGHT nicely explains the myth about tough hard animals requiring tough treatment; who wants to be viewed as a thread (or food) by large carnivores such as big cats? And this clear post on extinguishing unwanted behaviours by requiring alternatives mmmmmmmmmmmmmm??

I basically proved to my friend with the Briard, that's he's trained my dog to jump on him (reinforcing it with inccorrect indulgence treating & ineffective punishment, his escalation frustrated & inhibited as it's not his dog so must be nice) and he indeed tried the suggested alternative which worked. But next time, he's fallen back on his own ways, and obviously decided to just withold his treat, rather than continue working the dog; so he's avoiding learning & seeing extinction of the behaviour occur rapidly.

Meanwhile his "untrainable" dog, has changed from avoiding me on bike to eagerly rushing up (sneeky Liver Cake. reinforced praise & mannered greetings). Furthermore seems like my BC may hve effectively P+'d the Briard owner's indulgence treating habit (to himself at least) by jumping on him

But you just cannot change a rigid mind, if the guy persists being frustrated I may have to avoid him (preferable to closely controlling in free run exercise area just for him), as I suspect he'll start being inconsistent and fall for a cute look

CarolineH's post here was another lucid insightful one Sarah Kalnajs: 'Some thoughts on pos-R training' explaining why methods which work for us, are so frequently attacked and misrepresented by those unwilling to experiment.

Finally to add the large number of R+ dogs in group situation, have a look at the Guniess Record Holder for largest number of dogs walked by one person, features off leash dogs in public park Video Cuts - A Different Breed Episode 3 Video: The Dog Whisperer

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For eager & reliable recall, be fun for the dog to come back to! Then often send them off right away to do what they wanted!
DT&B - Glossary of acronyms & jargon terms.
Encouraging good behaviours, whilst consistently avoiding practise of bad alternatives leads to extinction of the bad. So if dog sits 6/10 times it doesn't sit 4/10 times, encouraging with the right rewards (positively-reinforcing) enough for 9/10 times means it now fails to sit only 1/10 times, sit 10/10 means...