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Old 22-05-2011, 09:02 PM
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Re: Walking to heel - what am i doing wrong

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Have you cracked it yet?

If not watch this Walking to Heel
I like the advice to use longer lead length, not sure how the "jingler" is different from just calmly telling the dog to go "back!" and not moving forward.
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Old 22-05-2011, 10:53 PM
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Re: Walking to heel - what am i doing wrong

wow..................

'our dogs pulling is partly dominance?' thats bull crap and dont believe that.
dog pulling is training. a dog that pulls is not trained. it is NOT necessarily dominant.

(I can get a dog that will want to dominate you but will heel next to you, and i have dogs that are nowhere near dominant but will pull your arm off).

jingler... hahaha dont make me laugh...... that dog is prob HIS dog, and it's a super sensitive dog too... + probably because that man has jerked that dog's head off a couple minutes before.

not bad technique however, though he misses loads of steps......

PLUS: border collie youtube video - the dog is on an ecollar (ELECTRIC COLLAR) -
2nd youtube video is competition heeling.

i TEACH two types of heeling to dogs and people. 1. focused/competition heeling 2. loose leash walking.

1. uses treats/toys (a competition dog can get between 10-45 mins before they lose interest)
2. uses escape avoidance as the primary motivator.

loose leash heeling taught in the border and the jingle man is based on the 'koehler method' of dog training. very old, very reliable.
principle. dog goes ahead, owner goes the other direction and the dog gets corrected.
the dog learns, dont forge ahead or my head is going to get whacked. stay with the owner, and i get treats.
there are OTHER (MANY OTHER) steps to produce a dog that heels in the correct position, lef/right turns, stops, sits etc. change of pace etc. etc. etc. but i wont go into it all cuz ill have to write a book, but that's the principle.

i believe a famous 'kind' tv dog trainer uses the same principle, but instead of jerking the head off the dog, they'll prob use a harness or halti which looks a lot kinder, and will work on a varying degree to different dogs. essentially, having a no-pull harness or head thing halti/gentle leader/gencon(?) causes enough discomfort for the dog not to want to do that action again.

timing is VERY VERY VERY important. split second wrong and you can mess it all up.

hence. find a good dog trainer.
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Old 23-05-2011, 05:26 AM
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Re: Walking to heel - what am i doing wrong

Perhaps you mean this YouTube - kikopup's channel - Barking- Episode 3 - barking on a walk -dog training?

The theme is rewarding and reinforcing attention to handler, there is a negative-punishment here as the dog is prevented from enjoying the distraction, but attention & following to handler is positively reinforced.
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Re: Walking to heel - what am i doing wrong

Another video for you....this is great....

YouTube - ‪Training your dog to heel on a loose leash: Dog training In London (HD)‬‏
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Re: Walking to heel - what am i doing wrong

that's a nice video, very well made.

though dog training isn't some secret art and he talks about a lot of 'myths' that simply have no scientific or factual support.

'biting the leash' is NOT controlling the walk - in some cases.
sometimes, yes, sometimes not. sometimes a dog has high levels of prey drive which means a dog just wants to bite and play.

walking in and out of your door or walking in circles 55 times will get you 'so far'. a video for owners who will try this will spend YEARS (if not forever) walking around in circles with a pulling dog.

does it work with some dogs? maybe yes,

but if one dog trainer can train 'lead pulling in 4 sessions' and another says 'it takes patience, time, food rewards etc. and there is no 'set time' and it's up to YOUR LEADERSHIP.

i would think the 2nd trainer just wants more money and more training sessions to tell you to walk round in circles - BECAUSE, walking in and out, just won't work in the long term and consistently. so the trainer will take money from you week in and week out rather than actually training your dog. because, if he actually COULD, or decided that he SHOULD teach your dog, then you won't be needing his/her lessons anymore.

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dog being calm before a walk? yes, it can definitely help to put the lead on etc. but does it mean it won't pull or it would 'decrease pulling' when you are outside NO.

dogs don't have the capacity to relate such separate events.
it's like saying 'i'll put the lead on when my dog is sleeping and lying down' so when i take it out, it won't pull......

i have dogs that are mental and will pull you on the lead. but as soon as you say HEEL, they will walk next to you, and for as long as you want until you release them.
THIS IS training.
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I would get a clicker and treats, get her to watch you as much as possible and when she looks back reward her with a click and a treat and when she pulls change direction by says "this way" and keep changing so she understand your in control and she has to pay attention to you
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Re: Walking to heel - what am i doing wrong

So many people get caught up with thinking the dog is trying to dominate you by pulling on the lead- he's a 'dominant' dog; he's the pack leader etc.

Why can't people use common sense?!

For walking to heel, check out this clicker training program:
The 300 Peck Approach to Building Duration and Distance

Or if you're not using a clicker, how about this from Dr Ian Dunbar. I've seen this in action and I think it really does work. Playing Reward One Step & Sit | Dog Star Daily

It's all about consistency, though. It takes time and patience, but once you've got some improvement, it won't be long. It's just starting it off.
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Re: Walking to heel - what am i doing wrong

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Have you cracked it yet?

If not watch this Walking to Heel
and thats magic
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Re: Walking to heel - what am i doing wrong

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Have you cracked it yet?

If not watch this Walking to Heel
Hardly a difficult dog to teach to walk on a loose lead!
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