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We have a 7 week old yorkie/rat terrier mix. We got him at only 6 weeks old because he was originally found abandoned at the side of the road by a friend of ours, who bottle fed him until he was old enough to eat solid food. He is very affectionate, loves people, and a darn cute little thing. We are having a few behavior issues however and I wanted to get some input as to the best course of action to ‘nip it in the bud’ so to speak, along with a few other general questions.
“Gus” has quite a dominant personality. One issue I’m having is a lack of ability to find an effective “consequence” to curb bad behavior and also have some general questions. How much of his behavior is age related and he needs maturity to improve vs how much can be solved through effective training. Problems/Displays of dominance: 1) Nipping/being mouthy 2) Demanding attention (jumping/mouthing, whining, etc if being ignored) 3) Willingly invades personal space (jumping, climbing, etc) 4) Continues in behaviors despite constant correction There are already several threads on the “biting” issue, so I guess I’m wondering about the issue of dominance in general and if i'm doing something very wrong in my approach. I’ve been trying to deal with this by first making sure he gets plenty of play time and exercise. This helps as he is much more relaxed when he is tired out. Second, when he does an unwanted behavior, I make a “tssss” sound and use Ceasar Millan’s “hand as mouth” technique in which I “nip” his neck using my hand in a corrective manner. This has proven to be ineffective as he interprets this as a game (I can’t be too forceful as he only weighs a tad over 3 pounds). I have also tried simply ignoring him or refusing to give any attention when he starts being mouthy. Nothing has seemed to make any difference in his behavior over the last week. I know it is only a short time, but all the dog books I read tell me that if a true correction has taken place, the behavior will change. So I’m obviously doing something wrong here. Any tips on dealing with the general issue of a dominant personality (teaching him I am the ‘head dog’) or stopping him being mouthy? Additionally at what age is a puppy developmentally ready to learn simple commands (sit, stay, etc). If not that, if anyone has any links or ideas to good ‘puppy games/challenges’ that might occupy his mind a bit, it would be great. Last edited by bauer; 17-01-2011 at 07:56 PM.. |
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Re: Help with dominant puppy
First off you don't have a dominant puppy. Your puppy is a normal puppy and its personality traits, in escalated form, are pretty much consistent with having been hand reared and not getting enough early experience with a litter and mamma.
Dominance, by definition, describes a relationship - so one puppy can't be dominant. Its a relationship, be definition, maintained by violence, intimidation and is only established when one consistently defers to the other. This does not accurately describe the relationships canids have with conspecifics nor does it describe the relationships domestic dogs have with other species, in this case humans. Quote:
2 - yep its a puppy - teach acceptable behaviour for attention, work on self control something that puppies with a background such as this lack and have great difficulty developing 3 - yep its a puppy and just like human children they don't have an idea of human ettiquette, plus your puppy has been hand reared so has lost some education on this 4 - why are you constantly correcting a puppy/dog, if its constant then its not working? Manage your puppy's environment better and train behaviour you want rather than concentrating on correcting behaviour - its not working anyway ![]() Tiring a puppy out is NOT teaching it more acceptable behaviour nor is it helping with teaching puppy how to self calm. That silly noise and poking puppy isn't working (go figure) - up the management and teach appropriate behaviour. Dogs don't see humans as other dogs so you don't need to be 'head dog'. You need to teach puppy that you are the key to all good things - you already do actually control his access to all resources but you need to teach him this. Puppies can begin to learn simple behaviours using lure/reward training from 4 weeks of age. Its Socialise Your Puppy Month on the Pet Central blog and we are posting daily training and socialisation plans for puppy & family, go back to the beginning and start at day 1: SYP Month | Pet Central's Pawsitive Dawgs Blog! There are lots of great puppy and dog raising/training books out there and the best place to start for info on puppy raising is DogStar Daily plus you can download Dr Dunbar's Before and After You Get Your Puppy for free download here: Free Downloads | Dog Star Daily Best of luck with your new pup - we need pics ![]()
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However, he's not a little boy. he's a puppy. The best you can do is to separate yourself from his attention, by giving him a consequence. Don't talk to him, make eye contact or be rough with him, but push him down, and block him. If he persists, put him in a dog/cat travel box, which you then cover with a blanket, which cuts off his vision of you. Wait until he goes quiet, then calmly open the box and let him out, without looking at him, talking to him or acknowledging him. The consequence of his behaviour is separation. once he calms down he can re-join the group/pack. If he begins to misbehave again, put him back in the box, and cover. Quote:
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This being one of them. As you can see, it's ineffective. Probably because as he's such a young puppy (and abandoned) it's not something he's ever been familiar with anyway, coming form other dogs. And if you watch other dogs, much as Cesar may insist it's a 'bite' I've personally never seen dogs do this. Quote:
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Hold a little treat in front of his nose, but don't give it to him, and hold it just a little higher than his nose/eyes. he will want it, but realise he has to do something for it. start very slowly, almost imperceptibly, moving it over his head. his nose should follow, and hopefully he will sit. Tell him he's a good boy, and give him the treat. Repeat, and as he gets the message that sitting brings him a reward, add the word "sit" to the movement. Bring the treat down his chest to make him lie down, and move it further away, little by little, to get him to stay. Add hand gestures, and this doubles and reinforces the teaching. Adjust his food intake accordingly, or else you'll end up with a well-behaved, integrated very fat little dog....! ![]()
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Re: Help with dominant puppy
'Dominant' at 7 weeks old - surely you must be joking....?!!
Quite honestly he should still be with his mother and siblings at this age and certainly doesn't need Mr Milan type corrections. The problems/dominance you have described is perfectly normal puppy behaviour. |
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Re: Help with d-direct ominant puppy
He will have missed out on a lot of vital lessons by not being with mum and litter mates. Age 3/7 weeks is canine socialisation. The puppies learn through
play with each other, they learn bite inhibition too, one bites the other in play,if it does it too hard the pup squeals and, if the puppy has bitten he then gets disciplined by mum, to know he has gone too far. 5/7 weeks pups begin to notice other things and begin to form attractions to people. At this stage any threatening sounds,gestures,scolding,punishment or physical force can hamper attrations and interaction with people. Age 7/12 weeks The puppy begins to have brain wave of an adult, and begins to be capable of processing his experiences. Fear Impact 8/11 weeks. Pups have a preprogrammed fearfulness its to stop them basically getting themselves in trouble. Bad experiences at this age can become fixed in the dogs memory. Age 12/16 weeks Pups will try it on and put humans to the test. Games like tug of war can cause them to compete. Age 4 to 8mths flight instinct. usually co-incides with teething, pups will push at boundaries and become more independant,ones that recalled off lead before usually wont now. Age 6 to 14mths Fear of the Unknown A formely curious pup can start to react again to sights sounds and situations again with fear. Scolding or reprimanding will heighten the fear, Petting and soothing will reward his fear and make it worse. I have outlined what is going on at the moment with his mental and emotional developement and the stages to come. He has missed out on vital lessons and doing things at certain stages can make behaviours worse as you can see. Usually for nipping and biting you can try the following things, Give a loud high pitched yelp. (this in his case might not work as explained he missed out the lessons from mum.) If he stops and stays calm,praise and reward. Fold you arms, turn your back to him and as your doing it say Off. and stay like that ignoring him until he stops. If he stops and remains calm praise and reward the good behaviour. Re-direct the biting or mouthing on to a toy or chew, if he takes the chew instead and starts to chew then,praise and reward him. Lastly if all else fails, remove him to his crate or another room,leave him for 5/10 minutes, let him out but ignore him for a minute or two, if he remains calm,praise and reward, If he does it again repeat it and keep repeating until he stops. For any jumping up and attention seeking behaviour you can also use the folding arms or the time out. Basically you are giving him nothing for bad behaviour and only attention and praise and treats for good behaviour. Timing is important, you need to make sure you do things long enough for him to stop and not restart again. You must only treat and praise if he stays calm not straight away.
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Re: Help with dominant puppy
Thanks for all your kind responses. I certainly am no dog expert and did not even realize this "dominance" issue was a controversial issue. Did not mean to start any debates on that topic . . . I had simply read some books by Mr. Millan and assumed his approach was well accepted. Thanks for setting me straight on that
![]() I'll be sure to try out what you guys said in terms of ignoring/leaving when he acts up instead of trying to use a physical type correction. One additional piece of information - after he was rescued, he was raised in a house with 3 adult dogs and 2 cats, and they apparently got along very well, played together, etc. So he has had the benefit of some socialization with other animals, luckily. |
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Get your puppy to a puppy socialisation class asap so that his canine socialisation can continue. Other dogs, especially mature bitches, are oftentimes the best teachers of self control, manners and bite inhibition to puppies. I also really recommend that you begin systematic bite inhibition exercises and try not to have to resort to withdrawal everytime. Yelping & brief withdrawal is much more valuable feedback to puppy once used properly. The key to making sure that this doesn't become a cue to turn puppy into a Tasmanian devil is to keep arousal low. This means only play with puppy for very short bursts of 30 seconds or so. Then have a break and start again. Also make sure puppy has lots and lots of naps and plenty of sleep so that puppy isn't grumpy (just like a kid). Best of luck, can't wait for pics *hint* *hint* ![]()
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Re: Help with dominant puppy
The above advice is great but I would like to pick out a couple of things NOT to do.
1) When he jumps up, DO NOT push him down as this may easily be interpreted as a game and thus inhibit the learning process. 2) When he mouths you and you squeal, don't take your hand or jump away as this can be seen as a game too (and resembles a animal squealing and running in some deep phenotypic effect from when dogs hunted for their food). Leave your hand there after squealing and wait till he lets go then calmly turn away and isolate him for a short period. Two small but very important points in my experience. |
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If you want to read someone knowledgeable, read Dr Ian Dunbar. Puppy socialisation classes will help tremendously, as long as they don't start acting like CM or talking about pack leaders.
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