I have a 14month dog which I have now had three days my problem is he has not been house trained. I started using a crate for the first time last night this morning he had pooed in it. I have been following the advice in forums but when I am taking him out every half and hour or less to the garden on the lead after food when he wakes up etc he just stands there Im not sure if he was ill treated before I got him but I do know he was with a family of 7 then had been with a breeder in kennels for the last 2 months he is also very nervous. Last night I had sorted my washing into piles upstairs when I went to pick it up there was two piles of poo on it I am now trying to keep him in the kitchen. I have been taking him for walks but he still doesnt go outside. I also have a 11 week pup that I got at same time so desperately need to sort this out.

If he is very nervous and at 14mths old not house trained then it is a possiblilty that he has been punished for toilet accidents. Rough handling,shouting etc when toilet training can make them nervous about going in front of you and makes them tend to do it in secret or try too. If you also have an 11 week pup which you got at the same time (which I assume wont be toilet trained either)
the toilet accidents of the pup might be encouraging him and vice versa.

It has only been 3 days and with unknown history plus at 14mths he looks liked he has never been trained successfully it will take some undoing. (was it you who posted about the breeder buying him from a family for stud and for the last couple of months he was kennelled?) If so two months stuck in a kennel having to do it where he was wouldnt have helped. Thats why he probably Pooed in the crate or wouldnt have helped. The idea of the crate is that they wont soil their bedding or immediate surrounding area and theory, but when training they still have to go our regularly.

Is it possible that you can let him off lead on his toilet trips if he is anxious about going in front of people, then mabe more freedom and being allowed to sniff about and wander will help. I would continue to take both out every 30/45 minutes. When either starts to go give it a name (Eventually they associate the name with going and you can use it as a toilet cue and sometimes you can even get them to toilet on demand) When finished make sure you praise and lots of treats. Any accidents clean up with a special cleaner as any smell can make them more likely to go in the same place. Watch out for sniffing circling and maybe even scratching at the floor as often signs they are looking for somewhere to go. You could also try maybe setting an alarm and taking them out once or twice in the night.

It is early days, 3 days they are probably not a ease yet and its all new, I would just say be consistant and carry on for now. Hope this helps.
Oh just a thought is his toilets completely normal and formed. If there not or get progressively loose then he may have a bug. Also if you are the lady who posted the other day, then I would make sure the two of them are wormed properly as it maybe doubtful the breeder has wormed the pup with a proper worming programme and if it is the little 14mth boy I think it may be its probably questionable what sort of wormings he as ever had. Pups should be wormed at 2 weeks of age then every 2/3 weeks until they are 12 weeks, then monthly up to 6mths and then every 3/4 months like adults. It might be worth putting him on a puppy worming programme too. Hope this might help.

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Oh forgot one thing they usually especially need to go after drinking, eating, play and sleeping do make sure you take them both out then.

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Yes I was the lady that posted the other day. Thank you for reply its a great help. I have been taking them out since they were fed over two hours ago now (the puppy went on kitchen floor) Im still waiting for him to do number two's. When he has been indoors its normal not loose. I think you are right about him being shouted at or hit in the past as he always seems to act like he has done something wrong even when he hasnt and crouches down when you call him But he is getting to trust me and has had the odd play of a toy and is quite happy to sleep on my lap.I have just tried him in back garden and he seems more confident off the lead than on and had a bit more of a sniff around instead of us standing there in the rain. Still waiting for number two's so will keep taking him out regulary he has to go sometime surely. I guess it will take a lot of patience and undoing of whatever he has been doing the last 14 months. I will get some worming tablets to make sure they are both wormed just in case Thanks again.

Glad it seems to have helped, Let us know how they are getting on and good luck with the training.

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Left him in kitchen for less than a minute and he went on floor.

Might be an idea to make sure you give him his meals at exactly the same time everyday pup too come to that, you often find that if they are fed at the same times everyday then tend to need to poop around the same time too.
Its only 3 days but if you make sure hes fed routinely and keep a note of when he poops then it might give you an idea when hes more likely to need to do one. Just another idea I thought migh help,

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