Water spray - Page 7

bailey210608 · #61 (**permalink**) 16-08-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsdusty

:rolle

Believe me when you have a 1 stone pup hanging on to ya plates its very difficult to ignore

Tried ignoring him, he's very persistent, he just loves playing but with our fingers and ankles instead of toys, however I was getting the moss out of my lawn this afternoon and found that he was helping me out, so as the weathers nice I be taking him out there to help with the gardening.

Being a cocker he probably enjoys this due to his breed, he was also chasing the hoes around the garden, whilst it was going off, lol.

Saying No just excites him more, my little girls just loves him and refuses to leave him alone...Ive tried the ouch and he doesn't even recognise that. It's like he knows what im trying to do and just ignores everything....

Also my husband wasn't as keen on getting him as I was and he got the right hump with him earlier as he bit his ankles, he was not impressed. I like the idea of teaching him sit though, sounds like a very sensible plan.

Sophiex · #62 (**permalink**) 16-08-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsdusty

:rolle

Believe me when you have a 1 stone pup hanging on to ya plates its very difficult to ignore

Ah yes I can imagine! Oscar is only 2.2 kg so I guess it's easier for me but when he really sinks his teeth in, it's SHARP. He hangs on to the bottom of my dressing gown in the morning. I have to half-drag him along.

fun4fido · #63 (**permalink**) 16-08-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sophiex

Have you tried ignoring her? If Oscar (10 weeks) get rough and bitey when playing, I did try "ow" and "no". The thing that really works is ignoring him. I simply stand up and move a couple of metres away from him. Within 30 secs, he is craving attention again and wants to please me. I want the attention I give him to be positive.

If that makes sense?

Hi Sophie,

It makes very good sense, and when Oscar comes back over to you 30 secs later you could give him a safe chew toy to bite on and praise him for using this, and reinforce this desired behaviour by giving him a treat.

The toy water pistol method was actually suggested as a way of distracting a puppy about to chew on some inappropriate item. If a puppy is about to chew on an electric cable this is something you can't ignore

So you pre-empt this with a toy water pistol as described in my previous post, then you have your puppy's attention and can give him a safe chew toy, and praise etc.

fun4fido · #64 (**permalink**) 16-08-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey210608

Tried ignoring him, he's very persistent, he just loves playing but with our fingers and ankles instead of toys, however I was getting the moss out of my lawn this afternoon and found that he was helping me out, so as the weathers nice I be taking him out there to help with the gardening.

Being a cocker he probably enjoys this due to his breed, he was also chasing the hoes around the garden, whilst it was going off, lol.

Saying No just excites him more, my little girls just loves him and refuses to leave him alone...Ive tried the ouch and he doesn't even recognise that. It's like he knows what im trying to do and just ignores everything....

Also my husband wasn't as keen on getting him as I was and he got the right hump with him earlier as he bit his ankles, he was not impressed. I like the idea of teaching him sit though, sounds like a very sensible plan.

Have you tried the 2nd method I suggested for when your Cocker is being too bitey/mouthey during play?

Would it be possible to give him a 5 min 'time out' in a separate room. This is one way for all the family to ignore him, and it gives him time to think about the consequences of his actions. Dog are so sociable and eager to please, it's just that at puppy stage they need to be given guidance as to what pleases us and what doesn't

Could you try this, and after 5 mins open the door, call him to you and give him a safe chew toy to bite on, and I'm sure you know the rest... verbal praise/petting/treats to reinforce the desired behaviour.

I know it's blo*dy difficult with young children around, perhaps you could put them in a separate room too

Angela

fun4fido · #65 (**permalink**) 16-08-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsdusty

My puppy is 9 weeks now and is a little terror for the old play biting. However she is a good learner. The kids (3 and 2)have learnt to stay out of the way - so Mum gets the brunt of it.

I have a soft toy near me at all times. And when Lily is having one of her moments she has the toy given to her. If she still carries on and doesn't get all the yelps and ouches, she gets put in her crate until she calms down - is that okay?

She does however know sit and down - so I can sometimes stop her in the tracks with that.

I wouldn't spray her with water but she LOVES the water hose. Me, Lily and the kids have a right old time. She chases the water. I will get some pics and share.

Would love to see pics when you have, sounds fun

The problem with giving Lily a toy when she is having one of her moments is that you are (in her eyes) rewarding her, and encouraging the behaviour that you are trying to discourage.

You say you've tried the ignoring/yelping and it doesn't work (to be honest these techniques often don't work when young children are around). However I would suggest that you also try putting Lily in a separate room when she is having one of her bitey/mouthey moments. Give her a 5 mins 'time out' and this way all the family can ignore her and she can't be persistent when she's in a separate room.

After 5 mins open the door and call Lily to you, give her a safe chew toy to bite on and praise her for using this. If she starts up again, repeat the 'time out', and keep doing so until she plays nicely. Always end on a positive.

Be consistent with this and she will learn. It is important for her to learn appropriate play behaviour i.e. no biting or being mouthey, as it would be so rewarding for her to be able to play with toys with your children (always supervised of course). And children learn so much through play and interaction with puppies/dogs too.

You shouldn't really put Lily in her crate when she's having one of her moments, the crate should always be a positive place to be, so do try not to do this.

Hope this helps.

Mattie · #66 (**permalink**) 16-08-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dogpositivetraining

Mattie,

You have your opinion which is only natural and healthy

I'm not going to drag this one on any longer, but I felt I should just clarify.

When writing these posts I'm not able to go in to lengthy detail on how to use a particular method, I try my best, but if I make a suggestion and someone wants more info, I am more than happy to have a phone conversation and explain in detail over the phone (this is my only option as I'm in Cyprus not UK).

One of the good things about these forums is we learn from each other and different ideas, we can't learn if we don't discuss them.

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Used in the correct way and at the right time a remote spray collar is not an aversion technique, and I'll tell you why.

Go and see these collars being used, they are an aversion, they are not used the way you use them, they are used as a punishment. Owner buy them and don't read the instructions, only enough on how to spray the dog, when the dog is doing something the owner doesn't want, he sprays the dog. This isn't reinforcing a behaviour, it is punishing the dog for doing something the dog doesn't understand is wrong.

Most owners don't bother to find out how these gadgets work or how to use them, some have a remote in their hand so they press the button.

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I wouldn't bother people are clearly not reading what you've written. Good luck with everything.

I read dogpositivetraining's posts, I find them interesting in how she uses various gadgets and the different training methods, even if I don't agree, I am still learning.

Sophiex · #67 (**permalink**) 17-08-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dogpositivetraining

Hi Sophie,

It makes very good sense, and when Oscar comes back over to you 30 secs later you could give him a safe chew toy to bite on and praise him for using this, and reinforce this desired behaviour by giving him a treat.

Yes, this is what I do. I orginally started giving him the chew straight away to distract him but he'd rather bite (play!) with me. The 30 secs really gives him time to stop playing so roughly and then he gets a toy or a chew and lots of praise and attention. He's learning quickly and he's very happy. We're having less of the need to ignore him for 30 secs as he is understanding what too rough is.

Jenny Olley · #68 (**permalink**) 18-08-2008, 09:51 AM

Whatever method you decide to choose it is important to observe the results you are getting, much is written about consistency in dog training, I would agree with this, but only if the method is working, if you are getting the wrong results, doing it consistantly will just increase the amount of wrong results.

If you get an excitable reaction when you say no, the chances are you are saying it in an excitable tone, your voice needs to be more neuteral, but this is easier said than done, when you have a puppy hanging off you.

It is incredibly hard for new dog owners to impliment training techniques, when we got our first pup many years ago, we were probably dreadful owners, everything was a major drama. All the pups we have got in the last few years have been wonderful, but I put this down to us being better and more relaxed, not the dogs.

We do all have to start somewhere, I wish you the best of luck with your pup.

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